[comp.sys.ibm.pc] Chips & Tech " NEAT " set

james@bigtex.cactus.org (James Van Artsdalen) (01/29/89)

In <3945@alvin.mcnc.org>, somers@mcnc.org (Robert W. Somers) wrote:

> I have a PC BRAND 286/20 with the Chips & Technologies " NEAT " set
> and AMT BIOS.

> I have but one complaint, [...] there is no information as to how to
> use the setup mode to configure the machine for additional memory,
> wait states, shadow, etc,..

Well, I don't know anything about AMT BIOS, but I would assume that
the BIOS would auto-configure at bootup to whatever memory is
available on the motherboard.

As far as changing the NEAT setup, I strongly advise against it.  The
best you are likely to do is to make the machine go away.  Many
changes will result in the memory map being scrambled.  Unless you can
make these changes in ROM in POST, you're not likely to get lucky.
Other things to keep in mind is that even with documentation it is
tricky to program that NEAT chipset, since the "reserved" bits often
do unexpected things.

Finally, it seems unlikely that PC Brand would have deliberately
chosen to use a slower configuration unless the faster configuration
proved unreliable.
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jallen@netxcom.UUCP (John Allen) (02/07/89)

In article <13335@bigtex.cactus.org> james@bigtex.cactus.org (James Van Artsdalen) writes:
>In <3945@alvin.mcnc.org>, somers@mcnc.org (Robert W. Somers) wrote:
>
>> I have a PC BRAND 286/20 with the Chips & Technologies " NEAT " set
>> and AMT BIOS.
>
>> I have but one complaint, [...] there is no information as to how to
>> use the setup mode to configure the machine for additional memory,
>> wait states, shadow, etc,..
>
>Well, I don't know anything about AMT BIOS, but I would assume that
>the BIOS would auto-configure at bootup to whatever memory is
>available on the motherboard.

I suspect that this is the AMI BIOS, not "AMT".  If so, it's likely to
be about the same as that found in my 286-16 Motherboard (NEAT chipset).
In which case, the BIOS decidedly does NOT optimize the chipset, and in
the case of shadow-ram versus extended addressing, how could it?  Only
you know what you want to do with the extra memory.  My motherboard came
with LOTS for detailed documentation about the NEAT chipset, so I suggest
that Robert get in touch with his dealer.  Using this information, I was
able to improve system performance from 15.5 to 18.7 "nortons", and
improve video performance (shadow ram) by about 200%.

>As far as changing the NEAT setup, I strongly advise against it.  The
>best you are likely to do is to make the machine go away.  Many
>changes will result in the memory map being scrambled.  Unless you can
>make these changes in ROM in POST, you're not likely to get lucky.

While making these changes is not for the faint-hearted, it is certainly
within the scope of useful tuning.  If you do screw up, (as I have),
just power down and bleed off any stored charge in the chipset for two
or three minutes.  This has (several times) returned my machine to an
operative state.

>Other things to keep in mind is that even with documentation it is
>tricky to program that NEAT chipset, since the "reserved" bits often
>do unexpected things.

Yes, it can be tricky.  Why would you want to play with the reserved
bits, though?

>Finally, it seems unlikely that PC Brand would have deliberately
>chosen to use a slower configuration unless the faster configuration
>proved unreliable.

This is a valid point - relative to wait states, perhaps - but doesn't
reflect the fact that you can also modify shadow ram, BIOS mapping,
bus clock speed, bus waits, DMA waits, and a few other things that are
dependent upon your own configuration, and not just the parts that you
may have purchased from PC Brand.

John Allen
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