malik@delphi.DEC (Karl Malik ZK01-1/F22 1-1440) (05/01/84)
Subj; Short response re; John Cage Rich Rosen's comment - "P.S. About that minimalism discussion re John Cage. Cage is one of the biggest artistic charlatans of our age, who has made the resulting sensual result of the artist's work less important than the "artist's conception and ideas". Utter poppycock!! There, more discussion of classical music!! (Well, of a supposed classical musician, anyway...)" My response - My understanding of Cage's work, leads me to believe that you have things backwards. By using chance procedures (flipping coins, using the imperfections on the paper, consulting the I CHING), Cage assures that NONE of his ideas, conceptions, emotions, etc. come through. The result is pure SOUND - devoid of both expressive and intellectual manipulation. - Karl p.s. Why am I getting both net.music and net.music.classical even though I have not yet subcribed to net.music.classical?
rlr@pyuxn.UUCP (Rich Rosen) (05/02/84)
> Rich Rosen's comment - > "P.S. About that minimalism discussion re John Cage. Cage is one of > the biggest artistic charlatans of our age, who has made the resulting > sensual result of the artist's work less important than the "artist's > conception and ideas". Utter poppycock!! There, more discussion of > classical music!! (Well, of a supposed classical musician, anyway...)" > > My response - > My understanding of Cage's work, leads me to believe that you have > things backwards. By using chance procedures (flipping coins, using > the imperfections on the paper, consulting the I CHING), Cage assures > that NONE of his ideas, conceptions, emotions, etc. come through. The > result is pure SOUND - devoid of both expressive and intellectual > manipulation. [MALIK] Pure sound is what comes from natural circumstances. If you want pure sound devoid of "human" expressive and intellectual manipulation, go to a game preserve. Art is by its very nature the expressive and intellectual manipulation of sensory media BY HUMAN BEINGS. It is not a part of what some would call "the natural order of things", it is an expressive attempt to create a new order of things. To choose to negate human intervention is to negate art itself. -- "I'm not dead yet!" "Oh, don't be such a baby!" Rich Rosen pyuxn!rlr