tran@peora.ccur.com (Nhan Tran) (04/27/89)
I have IBM-DOS 3.3 (not MS-DOS). Can I use it on an AT-compatible? I remember a while ago I cannot use BASIC supplied on IBM-DOS disk on a compatible system at all. I am not sure if I can boot a compatible with IBM-DOS. I appreciate any comment you have. Nhan Tran
brown@astroatc.UUCP (Vidiot) (04/28/89)
In article <3816@peora.ccur.com> tran@peora.ccur.com (Nhan Tran) writes:
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<I have IBM-DOS 3.3 (not MS-DOS). Can I use it on an AT-compatible? I
<remember a while ago I cannot use BASIC supplied on IBM-DOS disk on a
<compatible system at all. I am not sure if I can boot a compatible with
<IBM-DOS. I appreciate any comment you have.
Yes, more than likely you can. I have booted Compaq 386 machines with PC-DOS
3.31.
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ARPA/INTERNET: brown%astroatc.UUCP@spool.cs.wisc.edugto@neoucom.UUCP (Thomas Osterfield) (04/28/89)
>In article <3816@peora.ccur.com> tran@peora.ccur.com (Nhan Tran) writes: >< ><I have IBM-DOS 3.3 (not MS-DOS). Can I use it on an AT-compatible? In view of recent postings here, I couldn't pass up noting that even a Tandy 1000(EX) boots with IBM PC-DOS (2.1 and 3.?) -- G. Thomas Osterfield archivist (216)325-2511 x531 CIS:74106,1153 gto@neoucom.UUCP {cwjcc,pitt,hal,scooter}!neoucom!gto
dalm@warwick.UUCP (D A L Michael) (04/29/89)
In article <3816@peora.ccur.com> tran@peora.ccur.com (Nhan Tran) writes: > >I have IBM-DOS 3.3 (not MS-DOS). Can I use it on an AT-compatible? I >remember a while ago I cannot use BASIC supplied on IBM-DOS disk on a >compatible system at all. I am not sure if I can boot a compatible with >IBM-DOS. I appreciate any comment you have. > Yes, IBM DOS will work in any machine that will run MS DOS, they are essencially the same thing, only IBM have stuck their name on it. --------------------------[ dalm@uk.ac.warwick ]----------------------------- ARPA: dalm%warwick.uucp%emerald.warwick.ac.uk@ucl-cs.arpa UUCP: ... seismo!mcvax!ukc!warwick!daisy!emerald!dalm JANET: dalm%warwick.uucp@uk.ac.warwick.emerald PHONE: (+44) 203 692320 TELEX: 837831 EMCO G, 837831 VIA OR G FAX: (+44) 865 726753 ----------------------------[ David Michael ]--------------------------------
harnyo@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Suwandi Harnyo (Andy)) (04/30/89)
In article <3816@peora.ccur.com> tran@peora.ccur.com (Nhan Tran) writes: > >I have IBM-DOS 3.3 (not MS-DOS). Can I use it on an AT-compatible? I >remember a while ago I cannot use BASIC supplied on IBM-DOS disk on a >compatible system at all. I am not sure if I can boot a compatible with >IBM-DOS. I appreciate any comment you have. > >Nhan Tran Sure you can use the IBM DOS 3.3 on your AT ! The only problem is that you can't use the BASICA supplied because it requires true IBM BIOS compatibility - only true IBM has that because it is copyrighted. Other than that, it should work fine with your AT compatible. Andy harnyo@eniac.seas.upenn.edu
stephen@ziebmef.uucp (Stephen M. Dunn) (05/05/89)
In article <3816@peora.ccur.com> tran@peora.ccur.com (Nhan Tran) writes:
:I have IBM-DOS 3.3 (not MS-DOS). Can I use it on an AT-compatible? I
:remember a while ago I cannot use BASIC supplied on IBM-DOS disk on a
:compatible system at all. I am not sure if I can boot a compatible with
:IBM-DOS. I appreciate any comment you have.
:
:Nhan Tran
If your system is 100% compatible (almost all clones are, but some
name-brand compatibles aren't 100%), you can use PC-DOS and it will work
just fine. As for BASIC, no, IBM's BASIC and BASICA will _not_ work on
a non-IBM system. This is because True Blue IBMs have a large part of
BASIC in a ROM on the motherboard, and clones and compatibles don't. The
reason why BASIC.EXE and BASICA.EXE are so small is because they use this
built-in interpreter. Since your clone doesn't, you'll have to grab a
copy of GWBASIC from somebody else (oh my, I shouldn't advocate that
now, should I? :-)
But of course, we all know that any _real_ programming is too much to
ask of a standard interpreted BASIC, don't we? (some might say that
any BASIC is insufficient, but I only have one layer of asbestos)
Regards, Steve
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-------------------------------------------------------------------------------bcw@rti.UUCP (Bruce Wright) (05/06/89)
In article <1792@ubu.warwick.UUCP>, dalm@warwick.UUCP (D A L Michael) writes: > In article <3816@peora.ccur.com> tran@peora.ccur.com (Nhan Tran) writes: > > > >I have IBM-DOS 3.3 (not MS-DOS). Can I use it on an AT-compatible? I > >remember a while ago I cannot use BASIC supplied on IBM-DOS disk on a > >compatible system at all. I am not sure if I can boot a compatible with > >IBM-DOS. I appreciate any comment you have. > > > > Yes, IBM DOS will work in any machine that will run MS DOS, they are > essencially the same thing, only IBM have stuck their name on it. This is not accurate, although it is an understandable mistake. PC-DOS is the IBM version of MS-DOS (licensed from Microsoft, with IBM changes/ additions and the IBM BIOS). It will certainly NOT work in just any old machine that will run MS-DOS! Normally, when a manufacturer builds a PC, they license MS-DOS from Microsoft and customize it with their own BIOS (sometimes licensed from software houses such as Phoenix). There is NO technical reason why the manufacturer should choose to have the BIOS look like an IBM BIOS ... the reason is entirely market-driven. The market has spoken and said that they will only buy machines that have an IBM- compatible BIOS (in no small part because of the number of application programs out there that make BIOS - or even worse, hardware - calls that depend on the IBM PC architecture). IBM's BASICA interpreter (distributed with DOS, licensed again from Microsoft) knows quite a bit about the PC (including bits of the BASIC interpreter in the IBM ROM-BIOS) and will NOT run on anything but a real IBM PC. Bruce C. Wright
madd@bu-cs.BU.EDU (Jim Frost) (05/08/89)
In article <1792@ubu.warwick.UUCP> dalm@emerald.UUCP (David Michael) writes: |In article <3816@peora.ccur.com> tran@peora.ccur.com (Nhan Tran) writes: |>I have IBM-DOS 3.3 (not MS-DOS). Can I use it on an AT-compatible? I | |Yes, IBM DOS will work in any machine that will run MS DOS, they are |essencially the same thing, only IBM have stuck their name on it. There are some other differences too, but generally PC-DOS will run on any mostly-true compatible. Neat things happen if you try to run it on a Rainbow, though(*); that machine REALLY wants its own version of MS-DOS. jim frost madd@bu-it.bu.edu (*)there are probably fewer than a thousand people in the world who ever ran MS-DOS on a Rainbow. Makes me feel special.
pozar@hoptoad.uucp (Tim Pozar) (05/08/89)
In article <30782@bu-cs.BU.EDU> madd@bu-it.bu.edu (Jim Frost) writes: >In article <1792@ubu.warwick.UUCP> dalm@emerald.UUCP (David Michael) writes: >|IBM DOS will work in any machine that will run MS DOS, they are >|essencially the same thing, only IBM have stuck their name on it. > >There are some other differences too, but generally PC-DOS will run on >any mostly-true compatible. Neat things happen if you try to run it >on a Rainbow, though(*); that machine REALLY wants its own version of >MS-DOS. Uh, ya. David's information is totally not true. Jim's comment is almost there. MS-DOS has been ported to a number of wierd and strange machines. PC-DOS is basicly MS-DOS with code specificly for IBM-PC/AT machines. If you have a 99.9% compatible machine, then PC-DOS should (read, SHOULD) work. A friend of mine was one of the first employees at Phoniex<sp?> and it was his job to port MS-DOS to different machines. Up until a couple of months ago, he was running MS-DOS 3.3 on a multi-bus box using an INTEL 8086/8085 CPU card. You should have seen the strange array of tape backup, and hard disk devices he had hanging off this box. Tim -- ...sun!hoptoad!\ Tim Pozar >fidogate!pozar Fido: 1:125/406 ...lll-winken!/ PaBell: (415) 788-3904 USNail: KKSF / 77 Maiden Lane / San Francisco CA 94108