gblee@maui.cs.ucla.edu (06/20/89)
Hi! folks! Does anybody know any X-window or similar powerful window software which is runing on Dos or Os/2? Any pointer will be appreciated. Please e-mail me. Thank you. --Geunbae Lee, AI-UCLA
griefer@ibmarc.uucp (Allan D. Griefer) (06/21/89)
In a recent append, gblee@CS.UCLA.EDU () writes... >... >Does anybody know any X-window or similar powerful window software >which is runing on Dos or Os/2? ... IBM offers IBM X-Windows for IBM DOS, program number 5709-029. I hope this helps. Opinions are strictly my own, Allan D. Griefer, IBM Almaden Research Center, San Jose, CA BITNET: GRIEFER at ALMADEN Internet: griefer@ibm.com UUCP: ...!uunet!ibmarc!griefer
dixon@gumby.paradyne.com (0000-Tom Dixon(0000)) (06/30/89)
In article <903@ks.UUCP> griefer@ibmarc.UUCP (Allan D. Griefer) writes: >IBM offers IBM X-Windows for IBM DOS, program number 5709-029. I hope this >helps. > >Allan D. Griefer, IBM Almaden Research Center, San Jose, CA This sounds like a huge nightmare. What are the system requirements for the DOS Machine? I was under the impression that X was very large and precessor intensive for your average unix machine. I would think it would drop a 20 Mhz Model 80 to its knees! Tom Dixon uunet!pdn!dixon
rogers@falcon.SRC.Honeywell.COM (Brynn Rogers) (06/30/89)
In article <6327@pdn.paradyne.com> dixon@gumby.paradyne.com (0000-Tom Dixon) writes: >In article <903@ks.UUCP> griefer@ibmarc.UUCP (Allan D. Griefer) writes: >>IBM offers IBM X-Windows for IBM DOS, program number 5709-029. I hope this >>helps. >>Allan D. Griefer, IBM Almaden Research Center, San Jose, CA >This sounds like a huge nightmare. What are the system requirements for >the DOS Machine? >I was under the impression that X was very large and precessor intensive for >your average unix machine. I would think it would drop a 20 Mhz Model 80 to >its knees! We have Graphics Software systems PC-XVIEW up and running on a compaq 386/25. I takes about 500k to run (after all the various drivers are loaded, your mileage will vary) and really smokes! it is designed for a 286, so It probably works tolerably fast on one of those. Believe it or not, it will even work with EGA. it works with most of the 800x600 super-VGAs, but we use DGIS (Nec MVA1024-- a TI 34010 with 1024x768). I haven't used X a whole lot yet, but it's operation is apparently faster than a 3/60. Gotchas: you have to have a exelan lan board (TCP/IP in ROM) 800-900 $$ (they have/almost have a version for other boards, it is in beta) even though your VGA or DGIS can handle 256 colors in their max resolution modes, the drivers can only handle 16 colors. Disclaimer: I have nothing to do with GSS. Brynn Rogers Honeywell S&RC rogers@src.honeywell.com nic.MR.net!srcsip!rogers
terry@eecea.eece.ksu.edu (Terry Hull) (06/30/89)
In article <6327@pdn.paradyne.com> dixon@gumby.paradyne.com (0000-Tom Dixon) writes: >In article <903@ks.UUCP> griefer@ibmarc.UUCP (Allan D. Griefer) writes: >>IBM offers IBM X-Windows for IBM DOS, program number 5709-029. I hope this >>helps. > >This sounds like a huge nightmare. What are the system requirements for >the DOS Machine? > >I was under the impression that X was very large and precessor intensive for >your average unix machine. I would think it would drop a 20 Mhz Model 80 to >its knees! > That is true, if you were running both the client programs and the server on the DOS machine. I am certain the IBM product is only a X server and does not provide the capability of running clients on the DOS machine. You have to connect the DOS box up to a UNIX host running X before the product will be usable. You are correct that X provides quite a burden for DOS. Most X servers that run under DOS will not support a large number of windows, even with the clients running on the UNIX box. -- Terry Hull Department of Electrical and Computer Engineering, Kansas State University Work: terry@eecea.eece.ksu.edu, rutgers!ksuvax1!eecea!terry Play: tah386!terry@eecea.eece.ksu.edu, rutgers!ksuvax1!eecea!tah386!terry
smvorkoetter@watmum.waterloo.edu (Stefan M. Vorkoetter) (07/01/89)
In article <6327@pdn.paradyne.com> dixon@gumby.paradyne.com (0000-Tom Dixon) writes: >In article <903@ks.UUCP> griefer@ibmarc.UUCP (Allan D. Griefer) writes: > >I was under the impression that X was very large and precessor intensive for >your average unix machine. I would think it would drop a 20 Mhz Model 80 to >its knees! I am currently running X-Windows on my 25MHz Model 70 under AIX with no speed problems at all. As a matter of fact, it appears much faster than my supervisor's SUN 3/60. Stefan Vorkoetter Waterloo Maple Software watmath!wmsimum!stefan
Dion_L_Johnson@cup.portal.com (07/01/89)
Tom Dixon wrote:
-In article <903@ks.UUCP> griefer@ibmarc.UUCP (Allan D. Griefer) writes:
->IBM offers IBM X-Windows for IBM DOS, program number 5709-029. I hope this
->helps.
->Allan D. Griefer, IBM Almaden Research Center, San Jose, CA
-This sounds like a huge nightmare. What are the system requirements for
-the DOS Machine?
-I was under the impression that X was very large and precessor intensive for
-your average unix machine. I would think it would drop a 20 Mhz Model 80 to
-its knees!
-Tom Dixon
-uunet!pdn!dixon
I've been playing with SCO's implementation of X on the 386 (the
"Open Desktop" product) and it seems to perform OK. If you're a real
speeder, you will be interested in the X-server-on-a-coprocessor-board
implementations which are planned by some of the graphics board
companies. Of course, the 386 is not a wimp CPU, but
even so, I have to conclude that the X architecture is reasonably
efficient.
Dion L Johnsonstank@anvil.WV.TEK.COM (Stan Kalinowski) (07/05/89)
In article <24828@srcsip.UUCP> rogers@falcon.UUCP (Brynn Rogers) writes: >>I was under the impression that X was very large and precessor intensive for >>your average unix machine. I would think it would drop a 20 Mhz Model 80 to >>its knees! > >We have Graphics Software systems PC-XVIEW up and running on a compaq 386/25. >I takes about 500k to run (after all the various drivers are loaded, >your mileage will vary) and really smokes! it is designed for a 286, so >It probably works tolerably fast on one of those. Believe it or not, >it will even work with EGA. it works with most of the 800x600 super-VGAs, >but we use DGIS (Nec MVA1024-- a TI 34010 with 1024x768). We have PC-XVIEW up on a IBM-PC AT with an EGA graphics adapter. While the fact that it runs at all in 640K bytes of ram is impressive, I personally would not want to be forced to use it all day long. It's too slow and the screen resolution is too low. I should temper this remark by stating that I normally use a 20 MHz 68020 Unix workstation with 16 Mb of system ram and a high resolution (1376x1024) display, and so my opinions are biased against smaller/slower machines. I suspect that a 386 and a graphics board that has some sort of accelerator (e.g. the DGIS) is the minimum practical configuration for PC-XVIEW. Of course, such a system would probably run Unix and X just fine, so why bother with MS-DOS? :-) (no flames, please!) stank US Mail: Stan Kalinowski, Tektronix, Inc., Interactive Technologies Division PO Box 1000, MS 61-028, Wilsonville OR 97070 Phone:(503)-685-2458 e-mail: {ucbvax,decvax,allegra,uw-beaver}!tektronix!orca!stank or stank@orca.WV.TEK.COM
kemnitz@mitisft.Convergent.COM (Gregory Kemnitz) (07/06/89)
In article <665@eecea.eece.ksu.edu> terry@eecea.UUCP (Terry Hull) writes: >In article <6327@pdn.paradyne.com> dixon@gumby.paradyne.com (0000-Tom Dixon) writes: >>In article <903@ks.UUCP> griefer@ibmarc.UUCP (Allan D. Griefer) writes: >>>IBM offers IBM X-Windows for IBM DOS, program number 5709-029. I hope this ^^^^^^^ Isn't this for IBM <Mainframe> DOS, as opposed to MS-DOS?? > [stuff deleted] ----------------------------------+-------------------------------------- Greg Kemnitz | Software without hardware is an idea. kemnitz@Convergent.COM | Hardware without software is a space heater. | | --Unknown author
montgome@udel.EDU (Kevin Montgomery) (07/06/89)
>>We have Graphics Software systems PC-XVIEW up and running on a compaq 386/25.
Anybody know how to contact Graphics Software Systems??
-Ken
--
Kevin Montgomeryjbvb@ftp.COM (James Van Bokkelen) (07/07/89)
In article <6327@pdn.paradyne.com>, dixon@gumby.paradyne.com (0000-Tom Dixon(0000)) writes: > This sounds like a huge nightmare. What are the system requirements for > the DOS Machine? Of the three Xs I've used, all run fine in an 8Mhz AT with 640K. I've never tried them in a 512K at, or an XT. The "AX/DS" product HP has announced has most of the X code in a special display card, so it can create DOS sub-processes with about 350K available. The other two (one a product a vendor never released, the other from GSS) both run on conventional EGAs. I can't find the manual for the GSS version, but the unreleased product uses all of 640K when running. The unreleased product did have to leave out a few bells and whistles, like ScreenSaver, bell-volume control, keyclick control, mouse acceleration control and "backing store", whatever that is, I don't know about the others. All three Xs were/are run on top of our PC/TCP transport stack, so they can be run on any network media or card we support. -- James B. VanBokkelen 26 Princess St., Wakefield, MA 01880 FTP Software Inc. voice: (617) 246-0900 fax: (617) 246-0901
davis@udel.EDU (Michael Davis) (07/07/89)
I came in late to this discussion but I'm very interested. Are these X-window packages being discussed X-11 or X-10? Can these X-window packages access a X-11 host running unix (ie. we have a SUN 3/xxx) if the PC has an ethernet board. I would be interested in prices, manufactures, etc. thanks Mike Davis (davis@louie.udel.edu)
gaf@uucs1.UUCP (gaf) (07/08/89)
We're heavily involved in X stuff (calm down - this isn't alt.sex), and
have a copy of Locus' PC-Xsight server for our 286. It's release 1.1,
and suffers greatly from having to run in 640K. Can't run uwm and xcalc
at the same time without running out of memory (some of it is taken by
the TCP/Ethernet drivers running a 3Com 3C503 Ethernet board). It
doesn't run out of memory gracefully. Performance is good, even when
running a couple of plaid clients simultaneously. The list of display
cards they support in this version is a bit on the small side, and none
of the "super-VGA" modes. 640x480 doesn't cut it in X.
Locus is just now releasing (what is rumored to be) a much improved version.
It will take advantage of however much extended memory you care to stuff
in your 286. If true, this should make it a fine product. They also will
support more display cards/modes (you should probably call them for better,
more up-to-date information than I'm summarizing here). Price is ~$400.
Another company selling an X server for 286's is Integrated Inference
Machines. They have an interesting approach in that their server runs
under (on top of?) Microsoft Windows, whereas Locus' server takes over
the whole machine. This means you can use any display card/mode that
comes with a driver for Windows. The product is called X11/AT, and is
also ~$400. The drawback with X11/AT is that it only supports the
Excelan Ethernet board (a "smart" board which isn't cheap!). They will
be supporting other ("dumb") boards soon. It already takes advantage of
extended memory. Haven't used X11/AT yet, although it was up and
running at Xhibition '89 at the end of June. I'll post a review of it
if we get one.
In the 386 world, both X11/AT and PC-Xview from Graphic Software Systems
are available. We don't plan to look at 386 X servers since our 386's
will be running X under UNIX.
Here are the vitals:
Locus Computing Corp
9800 La Cienega Blvd.
Inglewood, CA 90301
(213) 670-6500
Integrated Inference Machines
1468 E. Katella Ave.
Anaheim, CA 92805
(714) 978-6776
GSS
9590 SW Gemini Dr.
PO Box 4900
Beaverton, OR 97005
(503) 641-2200
--
Guy Finney It's that feeling of deja-vu
UUCS inc. Phoenix, Az all over again.
ncar!noao!asuvax!hrc!uucs1!gaf zardoz!hrc!uucs1!gafnjs@scifi.UUCP (Nicholas J. Simicich) (07/09/89)
In article <763@mitisft.Convergent.COM> kemnitz@mitisft.UUCP (Greg Kemnitz) writes: ->>>In article <903@ks.UUCP> griefer@ibmarc.UUCP (Allan D. Griefer) writes: ->>>>IBM offers IBM X-Windows for IBM DOS, program number 5709-029. I hope this -> ^^^^^^^ ->Isn't this for IBM <Mainframe> DOS, as opposed to MS-DOS?? Nope. PC/DOS. -- Nick Simicich --- uunet!bywater!scifi!njs --- njs@ibm.com (Internet)