brent@sactoh0 (Brent K. Barrett) (07/25/89)
I have a possible bug with Telix 3.11 here. Let me explain as well as I can: My BBS sends out a Ctrl-E, ASCII 4, ENQ to prompt for password and name input. People calling with Telix 3.11 who have NOTHING set for their ENQ answerback string have problems, because Telix sends 4 characters (a '0', ASCII 48 being one of them) whenever it sees an ENQ (even once inside the BBS, if they hit Ctrl-E inside message entry, Telix sends the same 4 character string in response to the echo from the BBS of the ENQ). It gets weirder. I had a couple of these people try changing their ENQ answerback string to something -- it *STILL* sent the 4 character garbage and did NOT send their ENQ answerback string. And, even weirder. I use Telix 3.11 as well, and call other boards that run the same software I use. When the ENQ comes for the password and name, my Telix copy doesn't send the 4 character string (it never does to an ENQ -- it works as it should work). I would have assumed it was just a bad copy of Telix these people were using, except for the fact that they downloaded it from my BBS and it's the same copy I'm using. Has this (possible) bug been seen elsewhere? Can others please try to reproduce the (possible) bug? If anyone knows what we're all doing wrong, could they please speak up? Thank you very much. -- //////// Novucivitas: The Future of Citadel /// US 916 726 4989 12/2400 bps //////// ..pacbell!sactoh0!brent GEMAIL: B.K.BARRETT
edlee@chinet.chi.il.us (Edward Lee) (07/25/89)
In article <1645@sactoh0> brent@sactoh0.UUCP (Brent K. Barrett) writes: > > I have a possible bug with Telix 3.11 here. Let me explain as >well as I can: > > My BBS sends out a Ctrl-E, ASCII 4, ENQ to prompt for password and >name input. People calling with Telix 3.11 who have NOTHING set >for their ENQ answerback string have problems, because Telix sends >4 characters (a '0', ASCII 48 being one of them) whenever it sees >an ENQ (even once inside the BBS, if they hit Ctrl-E inside message >entry, Telix sends the same 4 character string in response to the >echo from the BBS of the ENQ). [....] > Has this (possible) bug been seen elsewhere? Can others please >try to reproduce the (possible) bug? If anyone knows what we're >an all doing wrong, could they please speak up? Thank you very much. I have often seen Telix v3.11 send a string containing ^P+^P0 while connected to Chinet on a noisy line. This is irritating when Emacs or the Ksh command line interprets the ^P characters, moves the cursor up two lines, and inserts a "+" and "0" in my text, such as now. <editing unwanted text> I suspect that Telix thinks it is running a login script even when one is not specified in the dialing directory, when the automatic dialer is used to call a system. The differences in dialing directories may offer a possible explanation to differences seen by you and your callers. To see if the problem starts after a call from the dialing directory or quick dialing bar, I suggest that you ask your friends to try calling your system and other systems without the automatic dialer, immediately after booting Telix, and to also try dialing a phone entry in the dialing directory that has a named login script to see if the problem goes away. -Ed L
ho@fergvax.unl.edu (Michael Ho) (07/26/89)
From article <1645@sactoh0>, by brent@sactoh0 (Brent K. Barrett): > My BBS sends out a Ctrl-E, ASCII 4, ENQ to prompt for password and > name input. People calling with Telix 3.11 who have NOTHING set > for their ENQ answerback string have problems, because Telix sends > 4 characters (a '0', ASCII 48 being one of them) whenever it sees > an ENQ (even once inside the BBS, if they hit Ctrl-E inside message > It gets weirder. I had a couple of these people try changing > their ENQ answerback string to something -- it *STILL* sent the 4 > character garbage and did NOT send their ENQ answerback string. This isn't a bug, it's a "feature". Telix 3.11 was designed for BBS use, and so includes provisions for a Compu$erve Quick-B autodownload. Unfortunately, CISB's initiation sequence is simply a ^E, to which the receiving program (if it supports autodownload) replies with something like an ESC, an ENQ, a 0, and some other crud... maybe. That's what they're getting. Go into the Alt-O Options menu. One of those screens (Protocol options? Terminal options? General options? I left CI$ in a huff, and forgot) has a line that says "Compuserve Quick B transfers? Yes/NO". Set it to no. > And, even weirder. I use Telix 3.11 as well, and call other > boards that run the same software I use. When the ENQ comes for > the password and name, my Telix copy doesn't send the 4 character > string (it never does to an ENQ -- it works as it should work). I > would have assumed it was just a bad copy of Telix these people > were using, except for the fact that they downloaded it from my BBS > and it's the same copy I'm using. You apparently have that flag set off. --- ... Michael Ho, University of Nebraska <ho@fergvax.unl.edu>
phil@heinlein.osc.edu (Phil Ritzenthaler) (07/27/89)
In article <1131@unocss.UUCP> ho@fergvax.unl.edu writes: >From article <1645@sactoh0>, by brent@sactoh0 (Brent K. Barrett): >> It gets weirder. I had a couple of these people try changing >> their ENQ answerback string to something -- it *STILL* sent the 4 >> character garbage and did NOT send their ENQ answerback string. > >This isn't a bug, it's a "feature". Telix 3.11 was designed for BBS use, I'm sorry, but I disagree. I don't have an answer for the original poster, but I think telix was designed for just more than the BBS'er in mind. Why do all of the other terminal options exist, then?? It is my comm program of choice (even after the PC+ I purchased). I need to RTFM better, but right now I think Kermit has a better VT100 emulation. Other than that, I like it the best. Oh, by the way, I'm not new to this game. I was one of the beta testers for Qmodem, but John lost my support with his 4.0 release. -=- Phil Ritzenthaler The Advanced Computing Center for the Arts & Design (ACCAD) Systems Manager The Ohio State University UUCP: ...!{pyramid,killer}!grumpy.cgrg.ohio-state.edu!phil ARPA: phil@grumpy.cgrg.ohio-state.edu
pechter@scr1.UUCP (Bill Pechter) (07/27/89)
In article <1645@sactoh0> brent@sactoh0.UUCP (Brent K. Barrett) writes: > > I have a possible bug with Telix 3.11 here. Let me explain as >well as I can: > > My BBS sends out a Ctrl-E, ASCII 4, ENQ to prompt for password and >name input. People calling with Telix 3.11 who have NOTHING set >for their ENQ answerback string have problems, because Telix sends >4 characters (a '0', ASCII 48 being one of them) whenever it sees >an ENQ (even once inside the BBS, if they hit Ctrl-E inside message >entry, Telix sends the same 4 character string in response to the >echo from the BBS of the ENQ). > It's not a bug -- it's a feature 8 - ) Turn off the auto-cis download feature. CIS uses the ENQ for a protocol initializer which is quite nice on CIS, but it's a problem elsewhere. Telix'll work just fine after that. Bill -- Bill Pechter -- Home - 103 Governors Road, Lakewood, NJ 08701 (201)370-0709 Work -- Concurrent Computer Corp., 2 Crescent Pl, MS 172, Oceanport,NJ 07757 Phone -- (201)870-4780 Usenet . . . rutgers!pedsga!tsdiag!scr1!pechter ** MS-DOS is CP/M on steroids, bigger bulkier and not much better **
edlee@chinet.chi.il.us (Edward Lee) (07/27/89)
In article <1131@unocss.UUCP> ho@fergvax.unl.edu writes: >[....] >This isn't a bug, it's a "feature". Telix 3.11 was designed for BBS use, >and so includes provisions for a Compu$erve Quick-B autodownload. >Unfortunately, CISB's initiation sequence is simply a ^E, to which the >receiving program (if it supports autodownload) replies with something like >an ESC, an ENQ, a 0, and some other crud... maybe. That's what they're >getting. This explanation is quite plausible. I have installed a line noise filter today and have set the CIS B auto-download switch to OFF in Telix. The noise filter works well, and I will discuss it in another article. -Ed L
pechter@scr1.UUCP (Bill Pechter) (07/28/89)
In article <268@oscsuna.osc.edu> you write: >In article <1131@unocss.UUCP> ho@fergvax.unl.edu writes: >>From article <1645@sactoh0>, by brent@sactoh0 (Brent K. Barrett): >>> It gets weirder. I had a couple of these people try changing >>> their ENQ answerback string to something -- it *STILL* sent the 4 >>> character garbage and did NOT send their ENQ answerback string. >> >>This isn't a bug, it's a "feature". Telix 3.11 was designed for BBS use, > > >It is my comm program of choice (even after the PC+ I purchased). I need to >RTFM better, but right now I think Kermit has a better VT100 emulation. Other >than that, I like it the best. > >Oh, by the way, I'm not new to this game. I was one of the beta testers for >Qmodem, but John lost my support with his 4.0 release. >-=- >Phil Ritzenthaler The Advanced Computing Center for the Arts & Design (ACCAD) >Systems Manager The Ohio State University > UUCP: ...!{pyramid,killer}!grumpy.cgrg.ohio-state.edu!phil > ARPA: phil@grumpy.cgrg.ohio-state.edu The vt100 emulation will be improved (fixed) in version 3.12. I hope to thoroughly test it against all of my software. I'm hoping for Vt220 or 320 in version 4 (I have no guarrantees this will happen). The two best free or shareware comm programs are Kermit v2.32/A and Telix. I've replaced registered/purchased copies of GT-Power, Procomm, Mex-PC and Softerm here on my systems. I only wish for a Salt tutorial. In v3.12 the default will be CIS auto download off which will fix the problem (if you can call it a problem). I use CIS often and love the auto zmodem and auto-CIS Quick-B transfer capability. Telix is definitely a serious comm program. I'm looking forward to V4.0 which will be just about everything you could ask for in a comm program. Colin Sampaleanu runs a very nice BBS conference which is echoed to bbs's throughout the US and Canada and has provided excellent support. The CIS problem received the kind of heated discussion that is going on here about the best way to deal with the B series of CIS protocols' using the answerback as a command. Colin chose to change the default to CIS off in direct response to user feedback. Unfortunately he has no Unix access so he has to have some loyal Telix users upload these discussions here to him. -- Bill Pechter -- Home - 103 Governors Road, Lakewood, NJ 08701 (201)370-0709 Work -- Concurrent Computer Corp., 2 Crescent Pl, MS 172, Oceanport,NJ 07757 Phone -- (201)870-4780 Usenet . . . rutgers!pedsga!tsdiag!scr1!pechter ** MS-DOS is CP/M on steroids, bigger bulkier and not much better **
schanck@harmonica.cis.ohio-state.edu (Christopher Schanck) (07/28/89)
In article <436@scr1.UUCP> pechter@scr1.UUCP (Bill Pechter) writes: > >The vt100 emulation will be improved (fixed) in version 3.12. WHEN it is it coming out? Months ago I heard "soon", but in this cas, no news is definately not good news... Chris -=- See Mom, I can prove that cleaning my apartment is unsolvable by doing a reduction from the National Deficit problem, which is obviously unsolvable! Christopher Schanck (schanck@cis.ohio-state.edu)