yap@me.utoronto.ca (Davin Yap) (08/13/89)
In article <8908130008KP@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL> w8sdz@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL (Keith Petersen) writes: >[Give this to your friends who have CompuServe accounts. -- Keith] > >Now you can send Email back and forth through CompuServe to Internet, >Arpanet, Bitnet, and others. > > - The amount of time it takes to deliver an Internet message varies > from a half hour to two days. This is a function of Internet and > CompuServe is not responsibe for this time frame. Nope. This just ain't true. Mail between Internet sites takes place practically immediately. Most mail gets delivered in a matter of minutes, regardless of how far apart the sites are physically. If you're really impatient you can talk directly to the sendmail daemon on the receiving machine (if you know how ;-). Remember the Internet virus; it used smtp to transfer itself. Perhaps you're refering to Usenet, which has uucp connections (intermittent and of questionable reliability) at its extremeties. You can get messages to uucp sites by routing them through an Internet site; this situation may account for the two day delay mentioned above. Another possibility is that CompuServe (a bunch of creaky old Dec-10s and Dec-20s - from their uucp info) IS responsible for the time frame :-). >-- >Keith Petersen >Maintainer of SIMTEL20's CP/M, MSDOS, and MISC archives >Internet: w8sdz@WSMR-SIMTEL20.Army.Mil [26.2.0.74] >Uucp: {ames,decwrl,harvard,rutgers,ucbvax,uunet}!wsmr-simtel20.army.mil!w8sdz -- GOAL: To dance the light fan- |Davin Yap, Mechanical Engineering, U of Toronto tastic in the face of derision,| yap@me.toronto.edu yap@me.utoronto.bitnet from those bland at heart. | ...{pyramid,uunet}!utai!utme!yap
w8sdz@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL (Keith Petersen) (08/13/89)
[Give this to your friends who have CompuServe accounts. -- Keith]
Now you can send Email back and forth through CompuServe to Internet,
Arpanet, Bitnet, and others.
Internet
Internet is an electronic mail system connecting governmental
institutions, military branches, educational institutions, and
commercial companies. There is no surcharge to send or receive
messages through Internet. Only ASCII messages up to 50,000
characters can be sent through this system.
SENDING MESSAGES FROM COMPUSERVE TO INTERNET USERS
To send a message to an Internet address you must use a special
addressing format. The command is:
Send to (Name or User ID): >INTERNET: recipient address@domain
For example:
Send to (Name or User ID): >INTERNET:Jdoe@abc.michigan-state.edu
Where ">INTERNET:" is required to send your message to the Internet
system. "Jdoe" is the valid address used by this recipient on the
Internet system. The "@" tells the system that the domain address is
following. The "abc.michigan-state.edu" is the domain address.
Note:
- Domain address elements must be separated by periods and the domain
must be separated from the recipient's address by the "@" character
with no spaces.
- The ">INTERNET:" is essential. It alerts the CompuServe system
that your message is going to a remote mail location. Remember to
include the ">" sign.
- You can have a space after the ">INTERNET:" or have no space.
- The correct valid address used by the subscriber on the Internet
system is essential. Without the exact address used by the
recipient, the message will not be delivered.
- The amount of time it takes to deliver an Internet message varies
from a half hour to two days. This is a function of Internet and
CompuServe is not responsibe for this time frame.
- Internet and non-Internet addresses may be included in the same
SEND, separated by semi-colons.
Undeliverable messages
If your message is undeliverable, it usually will be returned to you
along with the text of your message. Whether the message is actually
returned to you depends on the remote mail system, but you always
will receive notification if your message cannot be delivered.
Confirmation/Receipts
Requests for receipts will be generated only when the message leaves
CompuServe and is transmitted into Internet. Receipts to indicate
when the user actually receives the message are not available through
Internet.
RECEIVING MESSAGES THROUGH INTERNET
CompuServe allows a message to be received from the Internet system
to your mailbox.
Format
The Internet user needs your correct Internet address to send a
message to your mailbox. Your address is:
1 - Your User ID with the comma changed to a period.
2 - The CompuServe domain which is "compuserve.com"
3 - The correct addressing format to send the message. This
format varies from one system to another. Typically, the address
is shown as "User ID@compuserve.com". For example:
12345.412@compuserve.com
The sender should check at his/her mail location for the correct
format. Remember - the format may vary, but the essential elements
of the address will stay the same.
NOTE:
- Your user id MUST be addressed using a period NOT a comma
- "compuserve.com" is essential
- Messages sent through Internet to CompuServe mailboxes include
routing information and headers which are added to the top of the
message before it reaches CompuServe's system.
=END=
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If your mailer doesn't recognize the compuserve.com domain address you
can use the following path:
7007.12345%compuserve.com@saqqara.cis.ohio-state.edu
----------
^--put CIS user number here
This path should work for Usenet:
...!uunet!compuserve.com!7007.12345
The 7007.12345 user number is just an example. Put the correct CIS
user number in place of it.
--
Keith Petersen
Maintainer of SIMTEL20's CP/M, MSDOS, and MISC archives
Internet: w8sdz@WSMR-SIMTEL20.Army.Mil [26.2.0.74]
Uucp: {ames,decwrl,harvard,rutgers,ucbvax,uunet}!wsmr-simtel20.army.mil!w8sdzdavidsen@sungod.crd.ge.com (ody) (08/14/89)
In article <89Aug13.034413edt.18549@me.utoronto.ca> yap@me.utoronto.ca (Davin Yap) writes: | Nope. This just ain't true. Mail between Internet sites takes | place practically immediately. Most mail gets delivered in a | matter of minutes, regardless of how far apart the sites are | physically. If you're really impatient you can talk directly to | the sendmail daemon on the receiving machine (if you know how | ;-). Well... that's almost true. TCP mail requires that the sender, receiver, and all gateways be up at once. In practice a certain amount of internet mail gets delayed at least hours. We're in NYSERnet with uunet and see arival times for messages from other nets (NSFnet, MILNET) take over an hour at times. The transfer is fast, but the connection may not take place right away. | Perhaps you're refering to Usenet, which has uucp | connections (intermittent and of questionable reliability) at its | extremeties. Dialups are obviously intermittent, but reliability is a function of the sites through which the mail passes. We see very good reliability to uucp sites, although it's a function of # of hops. Since I work on Email for the corporate gateway, I see a lot of bounces, and I would rate bad addresses entered by the sender as the highest cause, people changing their addresses second. uucp is slightly less reliable than internet, but I think "questionable reliability" gives an impression worse than the fact. bill davidsen (davidsen@crdos1.crd.GE.COM) {uunet | philabs}!crdgw1!crdos1!davidsen "Stupidity, like virtue, is its own reward" -me
w8sdz@smoke.BRL.MIL (Keith Petersen) (08/15/89)
In article <89Aug13.034413edt.18549@me.utoronto.ca> yap@me.utoronto.ca (Davin Yap) writes: >In article <8908130008KP@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL> w8sdz@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL (Keith Petersen) writes: >> - The amount of time it takes to deliver an Internet message varies >> from a half hour to two days. This is a function of Internet and >> CompuServe is not responsibe for this time frame. > > Nope. This just ain't true. Mail between Internet sites takes > place practically immediately. Most mail gets delivered in a > matter of minutes, regardless of how far apart the sites are > physically. I maintain seven mailing lists at SIMTEL20. Delays of several days are OFTEN seen on Internet mail due to hosts or gateways being down. I have several messages in the queue right now that have been waiting 4 days for the distant host to come back on line. Example: I just received a message which took two days to reach SIMTEL20 from BITNET, apparently because CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU (the gateway) was down for the whole weekend. Many Unix hosts on the Internet will refuse SMTP (mail) connections if the load average is too high. This may delay delivery up to 6 or 8 hours, depending upon host load and how often the mailer retries. Keith -- Keith Petersen Maintainer of SIMTEL20's CP/M, MSDOS, and MISC archives Internet: w8sdz@WSMR-SIMTEL20.Army.Mil [26.2.0.74] Uucp: {ames,decwrl,harvard,rutgers,ucbvax,uunet}!wsmr-simtel20.army.mil!w8sdz
packer@h.cs.wvu.wvnet.edu (Michael A Packer,318 Knapp,,2928607) (08/15/89)
From article <10738@smoke.BRL.MIL>, by w8sdz@smoke.BRL.MIL (Keith Petersen): > In article <89Aug13.034413edt.18549@me.utoronto.ca> yap@me.utoronto.ca > > Example: I just received a message which took two days to reach > SIMTEL20 from BITNET, apparently because CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU (the gateway) > was down for the whole weekend. > > Many Unix hosts on the Internet will refuse SMTP (mail) connections if > the load average is too high. This may delay delivery up to 6 or 8 > hours, depending upon host load and how often the mailer retries. > > Keith > -- > Keith Petersen Any idea how long it takes to get a message from Australia? I sent mail to a node in Australia on thursday (10th) is it save to assume that it has made it there by now? Michael Packer USMAIL: 318 Knapp Hall, WVU, Morgantown, WV 26506 PHONE: 304 293-3607 INTERNET : packer@a.cs.wvu.wvnet.edu USENET: {allegra,bellcore,ihpn4!cadre,decvax!idis,psuvax1}!pitt!wvucsa!packer
pete@wlbr.IMSD.CONTEL.COM (Pete Lyall) (08/30/89)
You *****CAN****** send mail directly from the Internet to Compuserve,
and vice versa!
To send to Compuserve:
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mail 76543.2108@compuserve.com
To send from Compuserve to the internet:
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Easyplex! >INTERNET: woof@bloof.snoof.roof.com
Much more detail and info is available by going to Easyplex on
CompuServe and typing:
HELP INTERNET
Pete
--
Pete Lyall Contel Corporation
Compuserve: 76703,4230 OS9_Net: (805) 375-1401 (24hr 300/1200/2400)
Internet: pete@wlbr.imsd.contel.com UUCP: {hacgate,jplgodo,voder}!wlbr!pete