wolfordj@cbnewsc.ATT.COM (j.w.wolford) (08/17/89)
Here is some info for you folks in other states: Our Gov. just signed into law that all mail order places must withhold the 6 1/4% IL state tax. (Starts Jan 1, 90) How are all the mail-order companies keep up to date what the current sales tax is in every state.... (Going to HAVE to use a compter now, and buy updates (LOTS of updates)). How is IL going to make sure that they get the sales tax...... They don't know who I mail-order from.... I here a couple of groups are going to take it to the supreme court, but the supreme court upheld IL right to take out of state long distance (which they have been taking for quite some time). ONCE again IL is known for the TAX'em till they die state.... Jeff Wolford att!iwsag!jww harvard-+ | ucbvax--+---- att --+ iwsag!jww | decvax--+
2212msr@cbnewsl.ATT.COM (max.s.robin) (08/17/89)
In article <2495@cbnewsc.ATT.COM>, wolfordj@cbnewsc.ATT.COM (j.w.wolford) writes: > Our Gov. just signed into law that all mail order places must withhold > the 6 1/4% IL state tax. (Starts Jan 1, 90) > > How are all the mail-order companies keep up to date what the current > sales tax is in every state.... (Going to HAVE to use a compter now, > and buy updates (LOTS of updates)). > > How is IL going to make sure that they get the sales tax...... > They don't know who I mail-order from.... > New Jersey has a similar bill under consideration. NJ merchants already have to collect NYSales Tax, or risk being assessed 6% of their gross revenue. (NY I might ad, has well over 25 different rates, depending what town/county you live in!) Max Robin AT&T Bell Laboratories email:whuts!2212msr voice:201-386-6865
res@cbnews.ATT.COM (Robert E. Stampfli) (08/18/89)
In article <2495@cbnewsc.ATT.COM> wolfordj@cbnewsc.ATT.COM (j.w.wolford) writes: >Our Gov. just signed into law that all mail order places must withhold >the 6 1/4% IL state tax. (Starts Jan 1, 90) Fine. Could someone explain to me what powers of enforcement the great state of Illinois has over a business which has no assets or other dealings within that state? What would be the likely recourse if the law were simply ignored by the outside mail order firm? It would seem to me that if the state wants to tax mail orders, then its only recourse would be to put the burden for payment on its citizens, not the outside vendor. Rob Stampfli att!cblpe!res (work) osu-cis!n8emr!kd8wk!res (home)
brown@astroatc.UUCP (Vidiot) (08/18/89)
In article <2495@cbnewsc.ATT.COM> wolfordj@cbnewsc.ATT.COM (j.w.wolford) writes:
<Here is some info for you folks in other states:
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<ONCE again IL is known for the TAX'em till they die state....
Don't feel too bad. Your northern neighbor, WI, wants to do the same thing.
For now, they have a spot on the state tax return for declaring sales tax
on items purchased out-of-state. You think I'm going to put it down?!
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ARPA/INTERNET: brown%astroatc.UUCP@spool.cs.wisc.edug-tookey@rocky.cs.wisc.edu. (Keith Tookey) (08/18/89)
In article <9056@cbnews.ATT.COM> res@cbnews.ATT.COM (Robert E. Stampfli) writes: >In article <2495@cbnewsc.ATT.COM> wolfordj@cbnewsc.ATT.COM (j.w.wolford) writes: >>Our Gov. just signed into law that all mail order places must withhold >>the 6 1/4% IL state tax. (Starts Jan 1, 90) > >Fine. Could someone explain to me what powers of enforcement the great >state of Illinois has over a business which has no assets or other dealings >within that state? Also, how does the interstate commerce clause of the US Constitution pertain to the issue? Is taxation a form of regulation? Rick Please send e-mail to: schaut@madnix.UUCP ArpaNet: madnix!schaut@cs.wisc.edu UseNet: ...uwvax!astroatc!nicmad!madnix!schaut {decvax!att}! I am posting this through a friend's account. His consent to my use of his account in no way implies his consent to responsibility for the opinions expressed herein.
ralf@b.gp.cs.cmu.edu (Ralf Brown) (08/18/89)
In article <8181@spool.cs.wisc.edu> schaut@madnix.UUCP writes: }Also, how does the interstate commerce clause of the US Constitution }pertain to the issue? Is taxation a form of regulation? It may not be regulation, but in my opinion it sure is a form of import duty. As such, it would fall under Article I, Section 10: "No state shall, without the consent of the Congress, lay any imposts or duties on imports or exports, except what may be absolutely necessary for executing its inspection laws; and the net produce of all duties and imposts, laid by any state on imports or exports, shall be for the use of the Treasury of the United States; all such laws shall be subject to the revision and control of the Congress." -- {backbone}!cs.cmu.edu!ralf ARPA: RALF@CS.CMU.EDU FIDO: Ralf Brown 1:129/46 BITnet: RALF%CS.CMU.EDU@CMUCCVMA AT&Tnet: (412)268-3053 (school) FAX: ask DISCLAIMER? | "Let me write down the natural numbers and then stop." What's that?| -- Alan Demers (in Upson's Familiar Quotations)
crr@cbnewsm.ATT.COM (christopher.r.riley) (08/18/89)
The original artical was rather vague as to just who was going to be taxed. The way it has been (at least for most people), is that if you buy something via mail order from out of state, you don't pay that state's sales tax. By law you ARE supposed to, and have been supposed to for many years (this from a law professor teaching contract law). To me it looks like they are just going to start enforcing that law. Thus, if you buy something mail order from IL, you will have to pay IL state sales tax. -- Chris Riley chris.riley@attbl.att.com prodigy: kdfv03a I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed, or numbered. I am not a number! I am a free man!
joel@peora.ccur.com (Joel Upchurch) (08/18/89)
In article <9056@cbnews.ATT.COM>, res@cbnews.ATT.COM (Robert E. Stampfli) writes: > In article <2495@cbnewsc.ATT.COM> wolfordj@cbnewsc.ATT.COM (j.w.wolford) writes: > >Our Gov. just signed into law that all mail order places must withhold > >the 6 1/4% IL state tax. (Starts Jan 1, 90) > > Fine. Could someone explain to me what powers of enforcement the great > state of Illinois has over a business which has no assets or other dealings > within that state? I agree with that. What I don't understand is why that don't declare that the transaction is taking place in the SELLERS state and not the buyers and have the mail order operation pay the sales tax of whatever state they are located in. It seems to me that it would be a heck of a lot easier to enforce and a lot simpler for the mail order vendors as well. The biggest drawback that I can see is that mail order firms will tend to locate in states where the sales tax is lowest. I think follow up should go to misc.consumers, since this issue isn't specfic to IBM PCs. -- Joel Upchurch/Concurrent Computer Corp/2486 Sand Lake Rd/Orlando, FL 32809 joel@peora.ccur.com {uiucuxc,hoptoad,petsd,ucf-cs}!peora!joel Telephone: (407) 850-1040 Fax: (407) 857-0713
jimb@athertn.Atherton.COM (Jim Burke) (08/18/89)
In article <9056@cbnews.ATT.COM> res@cbnews.ATT.COM (Robert E. Stampfli) writes: >In article <2495@cbnewsc.ATT.COM> wolfordj@cbnewsc.ATT.COM (j.w.wolford) writes: >>Our Gov. just signed into law that all mail order places must withhold >>the 6 1/4% IL state tax. (Starts Jan 1, 90) >Fine. Could someone explain to me what powers of enforcement the great >state of Illinois has over a business which has no assets or other dealings >within that state? What would be the likely recourse if the law were simply >ignored by the outside mail order firm? It would seem to me that if the state >wants to tax mail orders, then its only recourse would be to put the burden >for payment on its citizens, not the outside vendor. This is already the law in the state of California. If you buy so much as a pack of chewing gum for someone out of state, you owe the state some sales tax. Of course, the state has absolutely no way of enforcing such a law and they are mostly concerned about large ticket items being brought in like automobiles. Many areas of CA have a 7% sales tax, so buying a car out of state in a place where they have a low or no sales tax would be very beneficial. That is true of any other big ticket item like a PC, but of course you don't have to register your PC with the state (yet, anyway) so you can save up to 7% just by buying mail order from out of state... -- ****** Views expressed herin are my own ******* Jim Burke - consultant 408) 734-9822 | I'll stop posting when they pry my jimb@Atherton.COM | cold, dead fingers from the smoking {decwrl,sun,hpda,pyramid}!athertn!jimb | keyboard.
alt@cbnewsd.ATT.COM (art.l.todesco) (08/19/89)
> Here is some info for you folks in other states: > Our Gov. just signed into law that all mail order places must withhold > the 6 1/4% IL state tax. (Starts Jan 1, 90) I just got a "friendly" letter from the IL State Revenue Dept. demanding that I pay sales tax on a camcorder that I bought from a NY mail order place in April, 1988. The letter states that I can pay the tax + penalties if I don't contest it. If I do contest, it is tax + penalties + more + more + more + ...... Does anyone know my legal rights in IL on this subject? They do site a state- ment made on the previous state income tax form concerning the subject. Apparently, according to the form, the law is already on the books and even though there is no way to collect the tax, they are trying to use this letter tactic. Art Todesco att!ihlpf!alt
bobc@attctc.Dallas.TX.US (Bob Calbridge) (08/19/89)
In article <2495@cbnewsc.ATT.COM>, wolfordj@cbnewsc.ATT.COM (j.w.wolford) writes:
` Here is some info for you folks in other states:
`
` Our Gov. just signed into law that all mail order places must withhold
` the 6 1/4% IL state tax. (Starts Jan 1, 90)
`
` How are all the mail-order companies keep up to date what the current
` sales tax is in every state.... (Going to HAVE to use a compter now,
` and buy updates (LOTS of updates)).
`
` How is IL going to make sure that they get the sales tax......
` They don't know who I mail-order from....
`
` I here a couple of groups are going to take it to the supreme court, but
` the supreme court upheld IL right to take out of state long distance
` (which they have been taking for quite some time).
`
` ONCE again IL is known for the TAX'em till they die state....
What I want to know is how IL can legislate what businesses in other states
HAVE to do? It seems to me that we have a central government for this sort
of thing and they're doing a damn good job of taxing us already.
I know that recoprisity (sp!) is a one of the foundations of our form of
government but that would mean that any such levies would be automatic and
would not need legislation if taken from that point of view.
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=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=johne@hpvcfs1.HP.COM (John Eaton) (08/19/89)
<<< < For now, they have a spot on the state tax return for declaring sales tax < on items purchased out-of-state. You think I'm going to put it down?! ---------- Unless you always pay by a non traceable money order and have it shipped to a different name and address than you file your taxes under then you better put it down. Checks and credit cards leave a paper trail that your state IRS can easily follow. All they need to do is go to any of the big mail order houses and obtain a list of customers from your state. If you received anything during a year that you declared nothing on you taxes then it's time for a closer look at your return. Recently the police in Seattle announced that they were investagating a certain man in connection with the "Green River" serial killings. They were able to obtain his credit card records that were eight years old and used that information to show that he was in the area for all of the killings. That information exists for everyone if they take the time to retrieve it. With computers its getting easier and easier. John Eaton !hpvcfs1!johne
fyl@fylz.UUCP (Phil Hughes) (08/19/89)
I think you have this backwards but speaking of stuff in the wrong
group, let's get this to misc.legal.
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{amc-gw,uunet!pilchuck}!ssc!fylz!fylkarl@ddsw1.MCS.COM (Karl Denninger) (08/20/89)
>Item 5081 (0 resps) by alt at cbnewsd.ATT.COM on Fri 18 Aug 89 19:16 >[art.l.todesco] Subject: MAIL ORDER IN IL is DEAD. > >I just got a "friendly" letter from the IL State Revenue Dept. demanding that >I pay sales tax on a camcorder that I bought from a NY mail order place in >April, 1988. The letter states that I can pay the tax + penalties if I don't >contest it. If I do contest, it is tax + penalties + more + more + more + >Does anyone know my legal rights in IL on this subject? They do site a state- >ment made on the previous state income tax form concerning the subject. >Apparently, according to the form, the law is already on the books and even >though there is no way to collect the tax, they are trying to use this letter >tactic. How did they find out about the camcorder sale in the first place? I'd like to know how states are discovering this information....... I can't think of a reason for a business to voluntarially give out this information to the states involved, nor can I come up with a way for a state such as Illinois to force a NY business to divulge the info.... -- Karl Denninger (karl@ddsw1.MCS.COM, <well-connected>!ddsw1!karl) Public Access Data Line: [+1 312 566-8911], Voice: [+1 312 566-8910] Macro Computer Solutions, Inc. "Quality Solutions at a Fair Price"
karl@ddsw1.MCS.COM (Karl Denninger) (08/20/89)
>----- >Response 8 of 8 (5056) by johne at hpvcfs1.HP.COM on Sat 19 Aug 89 15:18 >[John Eaton] > >Unless you always pay by a non traceable money order and have it shipped >to a different name and address than you file your taxes under then you >better put it down. > >Checks and credit cards leave a paper trail that your state IRS can >easily follow. All they need to do is go to any of the big mail order >houses and obtain a list of customers from your state. If you received >anything during a year that you declared nothing on you taxes then it's >time for a closer look at your return. Ok, again, how can a state (such as IL) compel a company to release that information, when there is NO PROBABLE CAUSE that a crime (tax fraud) has been committed? Listen to what you are saying here. "The state IRS goes to a mail order house and obtains a list of customers from it's state". Just HOW does the state IRS do this? Where do they get the authority to just "grab" that information, in effect "sifting" for violators of the tax laws? It smells a lot like the abuses of power that we have all "poo pooed" for so long. Here it comes, friends. When the American people allowed the Constitution to be trampled in the name of the War on Drugs, they allowed this kind of thing to go on unchecked. We will _all_ pay for this one folks. So much for the Constitutional protections (like needing probable cause to obtain that kind of info (ie: get a warrant)). Or is everyone now presumed guilty until proven innocent? -- Karl Denninger (karl@ddsw1.MCS.COM, <well-connected>!ddsw1!karl) Public Access Data Line: [+1 312 566-8911], Voice: [+1 312 566-8910] Macro Computer Solutions, Inc. "Quality Solutions at a Fair Price"
dave@westmark.UUCP (Dave Levenson) (08/20/89)
In article <[24edeb3b:5056.9]comp.ibmpc;1@ddsw1.MCS.COM>, karl@ddsw1.MCS.COM (Karl Denninger) writes: > Or is everyone now presumed guilty until proven innocent? In matters regarding taxation, 'guilty until proven innocent' has been the norm in both federal and state tax courts for many years. -- Dave Levenson Voice: (201) 647 0900 Westmark, Inc. Internet: dave@westmark.uu.net Warren, NJ, USA UUCP: {uunet | rutgers | att}!westmark!dave [The Man in the Mooney] AT&T Mail: !westmark!dave
nts0302@dsacg3.UUCP (Bob Fisher) (08/21/89)
I don't know about Illinois *requiring* mail order firms from other states to report sales to Illinois residents, but... It has been a long time since I studied the Uniform Commercial Code in college, but when I did, the point of sale was considered to be with the caller, not the business. That puts the point of sale in Illinois (or wherever). Illinois has the *right* to tax the sale. The resident has the *responsibility* to report the sale and pay the tax. This is where people have been getting away with it. They don't report it. If Illinois finds out about it, you'd better believe that they can assess the tax and penalties. Illinois can't *force* out of state companies to collect and remit the tax unless they have an office within the state. But they can and probably do *buy* the sales records for Illinois from the major mail order firms or maybe even the major credit card companies. It might seem expensive, but think of the extra tax revenue it provides. As for all the different tax rates someone mentioned in New York, it would depend on the wording of the law if the tax collected must include city and county taxes. -- Bob Fisher (osu-cis!dsacg1!bfisher) 614-238-9071 (Autovon 850-9071) From the Internet: bfisher%dsacg1.uucp@daitc.arpa US Defense Logistics Agency Systems Automation Center DSAC-TSX, Box 1605, Columbus, OH 43216-5002
greg@dekalb.UUCP (Greg Philmon) (08/22/89)
In article <670016@hpvcfs1.HP.COM> johne@hpvcfs1.HP.COM (John Eaton) writes: >Checks and credit cards leave a paper trail that your state IRS can >easily follow. All they need to do is go to any of the big mail order >houses and obtain a list of customers from your state. [rest deleted] And what in the world is compelling the "big mail order house" to give out the names of their customers? Sure, you can probably BUY their mailing list, but that won't tell you what (if anything) that person bought. If some mail order place I do business with cheerfully handed over my purchase records to anyone, I would cease to be a customer. -- --------------------------------------------------------- | Greg Philmon ...gatech!dekalb!greg CIS: 72261,1724 | ---------------------------------------------------------
ray@philmtl.philips.ca (Raymond Dunn) (08/24/89)
>In article <670016@hpvcfs1.HP.COM> johne@hpvcfs1.HP.COM (John Eaton) writes: >Checks and credit cards leave a paper trail that your state IRS can >easily follow. All they need to do is go to any of the big mail order >houses and obtain a list of customers from your state. [rest deleted] I think that it is much more likely that NY and IL have a joint arrangement whereby they notify each other of these sales. Remember that the mail order company in NY must report his sales to the NY taxation authorities. I know that similar arrangements exist between the Canadian provinces. -- Ray Dunn. | UUCP: ..!uunet!philmtl!ray Philips Electronics Ltd. | TEL : (514) 744-8200 Ext: 2347 600 Dr Frederik Philips Blvd | FAX : (514) 744-6455 St Laurent. Quebec. H4M 2S9 | TLX : 05-824090
baumann@muon.uucp (Michael Baumann) (08/26/89)
In article <2982@cbnewsm.ATT.COM> crr@cbnewsm.ATT.COM (christopher.r.riley) writes: >The original artical was rather vague as to just who was going to be taxed. >The way it has been (at least for most people), is that if you buy something >via mail order from out of state, you don't pay that state's sales tax. By >law you ARE supposed to, and have been supposed to for many years (this >from a law professor teaching contract law). To me it looks like they are >just going to start enforcing that law. Thus, if you buy something mail >order from IL, you will have to pay IL state sales tax. Oh this is just wonderful.... This means that legally I can get 1)taxed TWICE for the same purchase. CA attempts to collect "use" tax on items purchased out-of-state. 2)Get taxed without representation. As a CA resident you better believe I cannot vote in an IL election. Wasn't this what caused us to cede from G.B. somewhere around 1776? (1/2 :-) ) Methinks the IL legislation better take a closer look a that law. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Radiation Research Lab |Internet: baumann%proton.UUCP@ucrmath.UCR.EDU Loma Linda Universtiy Medical Center | UUCP: ...ucrmath!proton!baumann Loma Linda, California. (714)824-4077|
toma@tekgvs.LABS.TEK.COM (Tom Almy) (08/28/89)
What does this have to do with IBM PC's? Ah, well. In article <466@proton.UUCP> baumann@muon.UUCP (Michael Baumann) writes: >In article <2982@cbnewsm.ATT.COM> crr@cbnewsm.ATT.COM (christopher.r.riley) writes: >>The original artical was rather vague as to just who was going to be taxed. >>The way it has been (at least for most people), is that if you buy something >>via mail order from out of state, you don't pay that state's sales tax. By >>law you ARE supposed to, and have been supposed to for many years (this >>from a law professor teaching contract law). >Oh this is just wonderful.... >This means that legally I can get >1)taxed TWICE for the same purchase. >2)Get taxed without representation. Well I found an even stranger case. Harry and David, a gift fruit mail order company located here in Oregon (no sales tax) charges sales tax based on the state(s) the gifts are delivered to, and then only a certain number. This means that if you live in California, and order gift pears for friends in Washington, Illinois, New York, and a box for yourself, you pay four different sales taxes! On the other hand, if you decide to give your friends shirts from Norm Thompson, another Oregon mail order company, you pay no tax (to them at least) at all. Living in Oregon, I would think twice about buying merchandise from Harry and David to send to friends out of state! (As an unusual twist, Oregon residents can buy merchandise in Washington and not pay Washington sales tax as long as the merchandise is intended for Oregon use -- appliances, not MacDonalds' food!). Tom Almy toma@tekgvs.labs.tek.com Standard Disclaimers Apply (We do get socked with a high income and property taxes, so don't feel too bad out there).
gary@dvnspc1.Dev.Unisys.COM (Gary Barrett) (08/28/89)
> Thus, if you buy something mail > order from IL, you will have to pay IL state sales tax. > -- > Chris Riley chris.riley@attbl.att.com prodigy: kdfv03a I have purchased a lot of goods through mail-order, computer-related and otherwise. My experience has been that I either am asked to pay NO tax as an out-of-stater, or I must pay the tax of MY state. I've never seen it where I have to pay the tax of the state where the mail-order firm is headquartered (unless, of course, that firm is centered in my own state). What really baffles me are the companies which ask for the tax ONLY if I am from some particular state, maybe three or four out of the possible 50. And the list seems to differ with each mail-order company. Beats me how they determine who owes what.
mbb@cbnewsh.ATT.COM (martin.b.brilliant) (08/31/89)
From article <781@dvnspc1.Dev.Unisys.COM>, by gary@dvnspc1.Dev.Unisys.COM (Gary Barrett): > What really baffles me are the companies which ask for the tax ONLY if > I am from some particular state, maybe three or four out of the > possible 50. And the list seems to differ with each mail-order > company. Beats me how they determine who owes what. Until recently, law (I don't know whether it's federal law or uniform state codes) required a mail-order company to collect sales tax on orders shipped to states in which the company had business locations. So if you order from a company with business locations in Michigan and Ohio, you pay them Michigan tax if you live in Michigan, and Ohio tax if you live in Ohio, and if you live anywhere else your state may try to collect use tax from you. M. B. Brilliant Marty AT&T-BL HO 3D-520 (201) 949-1858 Holmdel, NJ 07733 att!hounx!marty1 or marty1@hounx.ATT.COM Disclaimer: Opinions stated herein are mine unless and until my employer explicitly claims them; then I lose all rights to them.
malloy@nprdc.arpa (Sean Malloy) (08/31/89)
In article <781@dvnspc1.Dev.Unisys.COM> gary@dvnspc1.Dev.Unisys.COM (Gary Barrett) writes: >What really baffles me are the companies which ask for the tax ONLY if >I am from some particular state, maybe three or four out of the >possible 50. And the list seems to differ with each mail-order >company. Beats me how they determine who owes what. Generally, if a company operates a branch in a state, they get stuck paying sales tax to that state for residents of that state. So, for example, if you live in California, and order from a mail-order house that has a branch warehouse in California, you pay California sales tax. Sean Malloy | "The proton absorbs a photon Navy Personnel Research & Development Center | and emits two morons, a San Diego, CA 92152-6800 | lepton, a boson, and a malloy@nprdc.navy.mil | boson's mate. Why did I ever | take high-energy physics?"
mlawless@ncrwic.Wichita.NCR.COM (Mike Lawless) (09/02/89)
In article <781@dvnspc1.Dev.Unisys.COM> gary@dvnspc1.Dev.Unisys.COM (Gary Barr > >What really baffles me are the companies which ask for the tax ONLY if >I am from some particular state, maybe three or four out of the >possible 50. And the list seems to differ with each mail-order >company. Beats me how they determine who owes what. As I understand it, mail order businesses must collect sales tax for orders from states in which they have a retail operation. For example, if XYZ company has locations in CA, TX, IL, and NY, it would have to collect sales tax from customers in those states only. Theoretically, if I buy something mail order and don't pay sales tax, I am supposed to volunteer payment to the Kansas Department of Revenue. Does anyone know anybody who actually does that? One type of purchase where they typically get you no matter what is when you buy a car from an individual; if you cannot show an invoice showing sales tax paid, or prove it was a gift from someone, you have to pay sales tax when you register it for the first time. From what I understand, there have been efforts to require mail order companies nationwide to uniformly collect the appropriate state and local sales tax for every sale, based on where the buyer lives. This would be a nightmare even if they had only the tax rates of the 50 states to worry about, keeping track of how much tax was collected for each, filing the quarterly returns, etc. Add in the various city and county taxes, and it becomes even worse. Its enough to make me glad I'm not in the mail-order business. -- Mike Lawless, NCR E&M Wichita, Box 20 (316) 636-8666 (NCR: 654-8666) 3718 N. Rock Road, Wichita, KS 67226 Mike.Lawless@Wichita.NCR.COM {ece-csc,hubcap,gould,rtech}!ncrcae!ncrwic!Mike.Lawless {sdcsvax,cbatt,dcdwest,nosc.ARPA}!ncr-sd!ncrwic!Mike.Lawless
davidsen@sungod.crd.ge.com (ody) (09/06/89)
In article <665@philmtl.philips.ca> ray@philmtl.philips.ca (Raymond Dunn) writes: | I think that it is much more likely that NY and IL have a joint arrangement | whereby they notify each other of these sales. Remember that the mail order | company in NY must report his sales to the NY taxation authorities. The Sales Tax form in NY has no details on non-taxable sales. It asks for total sales, total taxable sales, and tax by unit (area). bill davidsen (davidsen@crdos1.crd.GE.COM) {uunet | philabs}!crdgw1!crdos1!davidsen "Stupidity, like virtue, is its own reward" -me
akcs.amparsonjr@vpnet.UUCP (Anthony M. Parson, Jr.) (09/15/89)
A few responses ago, referring to the Constitution, a note was left that Con-
gress has to approve interstate things, like taxes. Is it so far fetched
that Congress, with a quick wave of its mighty pen, WON'T approve such
a nationwide mail order tax. They are always looking for more tax money. The
big retailers, such as Sears, Wards, Venture, etc would probably be FOR
a tax on mail order items, and they would have well funded lobbyists that
would do nothing to help small mail order companies get away from paying
taxes that the retailers, who sell locally, already pay. I fear its only
a matter of time when, not only will you have to pay tax on mail order items,
_but_ you won't be able to hide or escape from paying those taxes.
Tony
(working on a longer `handle')johnl@esegue.segue.boston.ma.us (John R. Levine) (09/18/89)
In article <[2510da87:1282.14]comp.sys.ibm.pc;1@vpnet.UUCP> akcs.amparsonjr@vpnet.UUCP (Anthony M. Parson, Jr.) writes: >A few responses ago, referring to the Constitution, a note was left that Con- >gress has to approve interstate things, like taxes. Is it so far fetched >that Congress, with a quick wave of its mighty pen, WON'T approve such >a nationwide mail order tax. ... My copy of the Constitution says this: Art I, Sec 9, Para 5. No tax or duty shall be laid on articles exported from any state. Art I, Sec 10, Para 2. No state shall, without the consent of the Congress, lay any imposts or duties on imports or exports, except what may be absolutely necessary for executing its inspection laws; and the net produce of all duties and imposts, laid by any state on imports or exports, shall be for the use of the treasury of the United States; and all such laws shall be subject to the revision and control of the Congress. That is, Illinois can't tax anything exported from the state, and all duties go to the Federal government anyway. It's rare to see a law that is so patently unconstitutional. I can hardly wait to see what the courts say about it. -- John R. Levine, Segue Software, POB 349, Cambridge MA 02238, +1 617 492 3869 johnl@esegue.segue.boston.ma.us, {ima|lotus}!esegue!johnl, Levine@YALE.edu Massachusetts has 64 licensed drivers who are over 100 years old. -The Globe