jqw (06/04/82)
I have just seen "Star Trek II - The Revenge of Kahn." I liked it, but I
can't help but agree with the review in Newsweek. They called it "On Golden
Galaxy." If you liked the TV show, you'll (probably) like ST II.
I overheard the theater manager saying that all prints of Bladerunner have
been recalled and the film is being re-edited. Does anybody know anything more?MORRILL.PA@sri-unix (06/08/82)
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Stevenson.WBST@PARC-MAXC@sri-unix (06/08/82)
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"What ever happened to those nice boys who ran the
Enterprise fifteen years ago?"
They're going right on doing what they've always done:
1. Saavik: "You lied!"
Spock: "I exaggerated."
Spock already proved he's capable of "exaggeration" (and explained
why) in "The Enterprise Incident".
2. McCoy bought bootleg Romulan ale; he didn't smuggle it himself.
In various Trek episodes he prescribed booze for "medicinal
purposes", as did Dr. Boyce before him. (I think it was Dr.
Boyce who "prescribed" for Captain Pike in "The Cage"/"The
Menagerie" -- or was Boyce the doctor in "Where No Man Has
Gone Before"?)
3. There is no such thing as an "illegitimate child"; there are only
"illegitimate" parents. Kirk could have been married to Carol
Marcus at the time of David's birth -- there may be such things
as temporary "contract" marriages in that era. The fact that Kirk
married Miramanee (and got her pregnant) in "The Paradise
Syndrome" seems to indicate that he's less than totally averse
to marriage and children.
4. Ok, you've got me there. The looks on Kirk's, Scotty's, and
McCoy's faces certainly indicated that Scotty had caught something
embarassing. (But is VD any more embarassing than athlete's foot
in the 23rd century? Maybe Scotty's embarassing medical problem
was dandruff - any Head & Shoulders commercial I've ever seen
implied that that's the REALLY disgusting "social disease".) Scotty
was always portrayed as being a bit of a hall-raiser -- when he
could be forced into spending time away from his engines, that is.
He displayed a definite propensity for alcoholic beverages in "The
Tholian Web" and "By Any Other Name", to mention a couple,
called himself "an old Glasgow pub-crawler" in "Wolf in the Fold",
and threw the first punch in the barroom brawl in "The Trouble
With Tribbles".
Bill
("Picky, picky, picky!" screams the audience.)burton (06/09/82)
Who says Scotty had VD in the Star Trek II movie? My understanding of that short exchange when Kirk arrived for inspection, was that Scotty had a hang-over! I can't recall the actual dialog, but when asked, McCoy made it clear that Scotty had been drinking a bit too much. Did I misunderstand? Also, can anyone elaborate on the following two 'mistakes' (for want of a better term) in the movie: 1. Khan recognizes Chekov on Ceti-Alpha 5, yet Chekov was not part of the crew yet when Khan appeared in the TV series; 2. After Spock's death, David came to Kirk and discussed how Kirk always avoided facing death. Twice during that exchange, he referred to Lt. Saavik as 'he', as in 'he said', or 'he was right, you never have faced death'. The first 'mistake' was printed in the newspaper, but I can't find anything to confirm it. The second mistake both I and my wife caught; did anyone else?
WRIGHT.WBST@PARC-MAXC@sri-unix (06/09/82)
Not to mention "the usual" i.e. "half a gallon of scotch" "Spectre of the Gun"
bch (06/10/82)
All right Star Trek Trivia Lovers out there. Was Bibi Besch in any of the Star Trek television episodes and, if so, did she play the same character as she played in TWoK. Please answer by mail, and not to the net as a whole. I will post the answer. ->Byron
davy (06/10/82)
#R:inuxc:-14300:pur-ee:7000002:000:387 pur-ee!davy Jun 9 22:48:00 1982 I didn't notice that Saavik was referred to as "he" in the scene with David and Kirk, but I did notice that throughout the entire movie, she was referred to as "Mister Saavik", rather than Miss, Ms., or what have you. Any explanations from a true Trekkie? Has "Mister" changed its meaning? Will Gloria Steinem have a heart attack because of it? --Dave Curry decvax!pur-ee!davy
Stevenson.WBST@PARC-MAXC@sri-unix (06/10/82)
"I believe that "Mister" is the title used for addressing an ensign in the service. Hence Mister Saavik <=> Ensign Saavik." Interesting. I was wondering whether it's Starfleet's attempt at a non-sexist form of address intended to offend everyone equally -- or perhaps Affirmative Action requires Starfleet to hire transvestites? Were female ensigns referred to as "Mister" in the 20th Century U.S. Navy? Come to think of it, isn't Saavik a Lieutenant? Is that the same as an Ensign? Bill Stevenson
dpj (06/10/82)
I believe that "Mister" is the title used for addressing an ensign in the service. Hence Mister Saavik <=> Ensign Saavik.
Surber.DLOS@PARC-MAXC@sri-unix (06/10/82)
I have been told by a navophile ( a person interested in navies ) that all junior officers, regardless of sex, were refered to as "Mister" in the 20th century U.S. and Royal Brittish navies. Apparently Star Fleet has preserved the historic title. Doug Surber / Surber.DLOS
burns (06/10/82)
The second "mistake" was really not one. Throughtout the entire movie, Saavik is referred to as "Mr. Saavik." I believe this is by convention. No more sexism ?!
etk (06/10/82)
"Mister" used in this manner as the normal military reference to another officer without regard to rank, it is genderless when used this way. Remember, that the Enterprise and crew are part of the fleet...ergo naval terminology is used quite often.
LUCE.WBST@PARC-MAXC@sri-unix (06/10/82)
" I didn't notice that Saavik was referred to as "he" in the scene with David and Kirk, but I did notice that throughout the entire movie, she was referred to as "Mister Saavik", rather than Miss, Ms., or what have you. Any explanations from a true Trekkie? Has "Mister" changed its meaning? Will Gloria Steinem have a heart attack because of it? --Dave Curry decvax!pur-ee!davy" The term "MISTER" refers to the position title as in Mr Checkov, Mr Sulu, etc. Not Lieutenant or other designation. It is an old naval tradition, dating back many years. You referred to a crewman by this title if the crewman had no full designation above Ensign. -Daimon (A trekker, not a trekkie)
doug (06/10/82)
Also people kept on referring to her as Mister Saavik.
guest (06/21/82)
I understand that on Vulcan ,for some reason,Everyone is called he,sir,etc. This could have something to do with thier emotionlessness or maybe it was a goof. I doubt this though,How could that slip through editors,proofreaders,etc. -Ben Walls csescct!bsw
guest (06/21/82)
Just out of curiosity,Who played "Whats 'er name" in TWoK? -Ben Walls sescct!bsw
murray@sri-unix (07/01/82)
When I saw ST II I was immediatly confused about MR. Savik. Since I was wondering about the sex issue, I listened carefully and at one point MR. Savik was refered to as either she, or her... I don't recall which. In any case, this tends to indicate that a persons sex is recognized on Vulcan. murray at intelqa