[comp.sys.ibm.pc] DEC Rainbow 100 disk formats

huisjes@cs.vu.nl (Michiel Huisjes) (10/08/89)

A friend of mine just got hold of a DEC Rainbow 100 running MS-DOS 2.11 and
he's having troubles with disk formats. It seems that a DEC Rainbow formats
disks at 400K (how odd) and cannot read normal 360K type DOS disks.
Trying to read a 360K formatted disk gives the error message "non-DOS disk in
drive A:" and if I read a 400K formatted disk in my 386 high-density drive
it claims that the disk type is a single-sided double density 8 spt disk with
14K used somewhere in the middle (Norton utilities). 
What am I doing wrong? Is a DEC Rainbow really that incompatible and more
important, how do I transfer my software onto the DEC?

Answers will be greatly appreciated.
--
			Michiel Huisjes.  (huisjes@cs.vu.nl)

scjones@sdrc.UUCP (Larry Jones) (10/10/89)

In article <3603@pinas.cs.vu.nl>, huisjes@cs.vu.nl (Michiel Huisjes) writes:
> A friend of mine just got hold of a DEC Rainbow 100 running MS-DOS 2.11 and
> he's having troubles with disk formats. It seems that a DEC Rainbow formats
> disks at 400K (how odd) and cannot read normal 360K type DOS disks.
> Trying to read a 360K formatted disk gives the error message "non-DOS disk in
> drive A:" and if I read a 400K formatted disk in my 386 high-density drive
> it claims that the disk type is a single-sided double density 8 spt disk with
> 14K used somewhere in the middle (Norton utilities). 
> What am I doing wrong? Is a DEC Rainbow really that incompatible and more
> important, how do I transfer my software onto the DEC?

Yes, good old Digital really came up with an interesting format
for the Rainbow.  As I recall, the normal Rainbow disk format is
double density, 8 or 9 sectors per track, but 80 tracks (rather
than the usual 40), and single sided!  If you have a
sophisticated formatting program, you may be able to format and
write a Rainbow disk in a high-density drive (which reminds me
that I probably ought to post the sophisticated formatting
program I have).  If not, you should be able to read a standard
SINGLE SIDED pc disk in the Rainbow (try FORMAT /1).
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jvb7u@astsun1.astro.Virginia.EDU (Jon Brinkmann) (10/10/89)

In article <849@sdrc.UUCP> scjones@sdrc.UUCP (Larry Jones) writes:
#In article <3603@pinas.cs.vu.nl>, huisjes@cs.vu.nl (Michiel Huisjes) writes:
#> A friend of mine just got hold of a DEC Rainbow 100 running MS-DOS 2.11 and
#> he's having troubles with disk formats. It seems that a DEC Rainbow formats
#> disks at 400K (how odd) and cannot read normal 360K type DOS disks.
#> Trying to read a 360K formatted disk gives the error message "non-DOS disk in
#> drive A:" and if I read a 400K formatted disk in my 386 high-density drive
#> it claims that the disk type is a single-sided double density 8 spt disk with
#> 14K used somewhere in the middle (Norton utilities). 
#> What am I doing wrong? Is a DEC Rainbow really that incompatible and more
#> important, how do I transfer my software onto the DEC?
#

You can transfer files to these floppies in two ways:

	1) Use the DECUS utilty VMSFLX with an RX50 drive on a MicroVAX.
	2) Use the RX50 driver for the PC/AT (high density drive).  You can
		get this from SIMTEL.

Neither utility will allow you to format the disks, but you can read and
write them.  I use a $$ program called UNIFORM for formatting.

Jon

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davidsen@crdos1.crd.ge.COM (Wm E Davidsen Jr) (10/10/89)

In article <3603@pinas.cs.vu.nl>, huisjes@cs.vu.nl (Michiel Huisjes) writes:
|  A friend of mine just got hold of a DEC Rainbow 100 running MS-DOS 2.11 and
	[ found out the floppy drives aren't IBM compatible ]

The 160k and 180k formats will be readable in a Rainbow, and after you
write it in the Ranbow *may* be readable in a PC. They *will* be
readable in an AT.

 The Rainbow uses single sided, 80 track, 10 sector per track format
(400k). There is a program which allows manipulating this format on an AT.
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'reason' in the face of the church and common sense. Any fool can see
that the world is flat!" - anon

david@oldcolo.UUCP (David Hughes Jr) (11/05/89)

You can use a program called Media Master to transfer files to IBM from a
DEC Rainbow.  You can attach what is called an I-Drive which will allow the
Rainbow to have an IBM floppy drive hanging off of it.

Otherwise, yes, the Rainbow is a bit of a white elephant.  I have one and
love it, but it does make life with the IBM world tough.