woan@cory.Berkeley.EDU (Ronald S. Woan) (11/29/87)
I just sent away for my Turbo Pascal 4.0 update (at the last minute of course), and am quite dismayed that the update cost comes to $45 before tax... You might think that this is a small price to pay considering the program retails for about $100, but I have seen it advertised in the low fifties from many mail order chains. Could it be, that we are simply paying the dealer wholesale cost on these suckers??? If so, is this really fair??? No real gripes with the company... A loyal TP owner since version 1.0... woan@cory.berkeley.edu
berger@clio.las.uiuc.edu (12/02/87)
Yes, it seems to be the case that you're paying dealer wholesale for the
upgrade. Is it fair? Well, consider how small a profit margin they must
have if you can find the product for sale in the $ 50+ range. They're
entitled to make some money out of it.
Mike Berger
Center for Advanced Study
University of Illinois
berger@clio.las.uiuc.edu
{ihnp4 | convex | pur-ee}!uiucuxc!clio!bergerhp0p+@andrew.cmu.edu (Hokkun Pang) (10/23/89)
I've been a happy Borland user for a long time now. I have TP 3, 4, 5, 5.5. TC 2, TA 1, TD 1, Quattro, SideKnick Plus, Eureka, and have used others as well. So naturally, it's nice to know who are the people that made all these possible. Who founded Borland and who're the cheif architects of these products? Anyone know? Also, I wonder if Borland will publish something on the history of Turbo Pascal, just like Bill Gates did on MSDOS? (after all, TP is probably is second most owned PC software, next to MSDOS)
unkydave@shumv1.uucp (David Bank) (10/23/89)
In article <AZEdI9u00VoH4TnkUp@andrew.cmu.edu> hp0p+@andrew.cmu.edu (Hokkun Pang) writes: >I've been a happy Borland user for a long time now. I have TP 3, 4, 5, 5.5. >TC 2, TA 1, TD 1, Quattro, SideKnick Plus, Eureka, and have used others as >well. So naturally, it's nice to know who are the people that made all these >possible. Who founded Borland and who're the cheif architects of these >products? Anyone know? Also, I wonder if Borland will publish something on >the history of Turbo Pascal, just like Bill Gates did on MSDOS? (after all, >TP is probably is second most owned PC software, next to MSDOS) Borland was founded around 1983 (or maybe it was 1982) by Phillipe Kahn (I think that's how you spell him name) who was, at the time, an illigal immigrant from France. The exact exigencies and situations behind the founding of Borland are not known to me. I DO know that the company is named after former Eastern Airlines CEO Frank Borman. Mr. Kahn is reputed to have taken a liking to the name and modified it slightly for his company name. Borland's biggest success was not in producing the absolute best Pascal compiler on the market, but in producing one of the fastest and one of the best FOR THE MONEY. It was also one of the first PC development tools to offer an INTEGRATED development environment, which did not require a seperate text editor for the generation of source. I doubt TP is as popular as you make it out to be (and I say that having registered copies of versions 2.0, 3.0, 4.0, and 5.0) but there is NO mistaking that TP and its successors changed the face of PC development and PC language environments. Unky Dave unkydave@shumv1.ncsu.edu
toma@tekgvs.LABS.TEK.COM (Tom Almy) (10/23/89)
In article <4280@ncsuvx.ncsu.edu> unkydave@shumv1.ncsu.edu (David Bank) writes: > Borland's biggest success was not in producing the absolute best >Pascal compiler on the market, but in producing one of the fastest and >one of the best FOR THE MONEY. It was also one of the first PC >development tools to offer an INTEGRATED development environment, which >did not require a seperate text editor for the generation of source. I'm certain that a contributing factor to his success was the large loyal CP/M Turbo Pascal users that, after moveing to the MSDOS world, had a cozy feeling using Borland products. In the CP/M world, Turbo Pascal 1) had the only integrated environment available 2) was the fastest compiler available, by far 3) produced terrific code 4) had an editor so good that people used it as their primary editor, even for non TP programming 5) was priced right at $29, far less than any reliable competition 6) was available in *any* CP/M disk format, without surcharge for unusual formats. Tom Almy toma@tekgvs.labs.tek.com Standard Disclaimers Apply
afscian@violet.waterloo.edu (Anthony Scian) (10/23/89)
In article <AZEdI9u00VoH4TnkUp@andrew.cmu.edu> hp0p+@andrew.cmu.edu (Hokkun Pang) writes: >products? Anyone know? Also, I wonder if Borland will publish something on >the history of Turbo Pascal, just like Bill Gates did on MSDOS? They already have done this, Computer Language July 1989 has a story about Turbo Pascal. Anthony //// Anthony Scian afscian@violet.uwaterloo.ca afscian@violet.waterloo.edu //// "I can't believe the news today, I can't close my eyes and make it go away" -U2
griesel@umn-cs.CS.UMN.EDU (Curtis W. Griesel) (10/24/89)
Turbo Pascal was actually initially developed in Denamrk; at least, that is the understanding I gained after working in the computer industry in Denmark for a year. The compiler was initially developed as a graduate project by a few students at the University of Copenhagen. It was then further developed and marketed as a product called PolyPascal, which is still in wide use around Scandinavia. I don't know when or how Borland go ahold of it, but Turbo Pascal was esentially identical to PolyPascal until TP version 4.0, when the compiler was completely redone by Borland. Borland has grown by leaps and bounds since the original Turbo, and now has resources far beyond the initial distributer in Denmark, whose name eludes me at the moment. I think some kind of marketing arrangement has been made, however, so the initial company now serves as a distributer for all of Borland's products, at least in Scandinavia. -- Curtis W. Griesel EQUAL Project (EQuipment for Universal Access to Learning), U of Minnesota Internet: griesel@umn-cs.cs.umn.edu; Voice: 612/625-9081; TDD: 612/626-1346 U S Mail: 4-192 EE/CSci Building; 200 Union Street SE; Minneapolis, MN 55455
bjornb@rhi.hi.is (Bjorn H Bjornsson) (10/24/89)
Turbo Pascal is based on a danish pascal compiler, which I think was (is?)
called Poly Pascal. Turbo Prolog is also a danish product.
I don't know about the other products, Borland probably bought them and
changed the label.
As for Philip Kahn, I very much doubt that he exists.
Bjorn
--
Bjorn Heimir Bjornsson Internet: bjornb@rhi.hi.is
University of Iceland UUCP: {mcvax,enea}!hafro!rhi!bjornbzech@leadsv.UUCP (Bill Zech) (10/24/89)
In article <AZEdI9u00VoH4TnkUp@andrew.cmu.edu>, hp0p+@andrew.cmu.edu (Hokkun Pang) writes: > I've been a happy Borland user for a long time now. I have TP 3, 4, 5, 5.5. > TC 2, TA 1, TD 1, Quattro, SideKnick Plus, Eureka, and have used others as > well. So naturally, it's nice to know who are the people that made all these > possible. Who founded Borland and who're the cheif architects of these > products? Anyone know? Also, I wonder if Borland will publish something on > the history of Turbo Pascal, just like Bill Gates did on MSDOS? (after all, > TP is probably is second most owned PC software, next to MSDOS) Actually, lots of Borland stuff was developed elsewhere, either in Europe or in the US. I think TP came from Switzerland, TC used to be Wizzard C, Reflex came from Analytica, Paradox from Ansa, Sprint from someone else (?). Basically, Borland buys a lot of good stuff and then improves on it. -Bill
grs@hpcvca.CV.HP.COM (Gordon Stevenson) (10/24/89)
See the October 16th edition of Baron's weekly for an extensive overview of Borland and its CEO.
madd@world.std.com (jim frost) (10/24/89)
In article <6212@tekgvs.LABS.TEK.COM> toma@tekgvs.LABS.TEK.COM (Tom Almy) writes: |In article <4280@ncsuvx.ncsu.edu> unkydave@shumv1.ncsu.edu (David Bank) writes: |> Borland's biggest success was not in producing the absolute best |>Pascal compiler on the market, but in producing one of the fastest and |>one of the best FOR THE MONEY. | |I'm certain that a contributing factor to his success was the large loyal |CP/M Turbo Pascal users [...] Yes, I imagine that it was. I purchased TP under MS-DOS because the product was excellent on my CP/M machine, not because it was cheap. I was not disappointed in the MS-DOS version, either, although it did take some time before Borland added support for MS-DOSisms. jim frost software tool & die madd@std.com
gary@dvnspc1.Dev.Unisys.COM (Gary Barrett) (10/25/89)
In article Hokkun Pang writes: > I've been a happy Borland user for a long time now. I have TP 3, 4, 5, 5.5. > TC 2, TA 1, TD 1, Quattro, SideKnick Plus, Eureka, and have used others as > well. So naturally, it's nice to know who are the people that made all these > possible. Who founded Borland and who're the cheif architects of these > products? Anyone know? I believe that Borland was founded by a native of France, Phillipe Kahn, who came to the US and made his millions starting with TP3 and Sidekick. Very much like Osborne (of Paperback Software), Kahn believed that he could make a profit selling quality software at a reasonable price (for the "common man"). He was right. My understanding is that Turbo C is a highly modified version of Wizard C, the offspring of a now defunct software firm (Wizard Software). Kahn bought all rights to the compiler from Wizard, added the nifty interactive environment, and now the debugger. Kahn's base is California. He is branching out to capture the corporate user base, with things like Paradox (Kahn bought the company) and Quattro and Sprint. The prices of his recent offerings show his new emphasis. Too bad, if he forgets the little guy who made him rich. -- ======================================================================== Gary L. Barrett My employer may or may not agree with my opinions. And I may or may not agree with my employer's opinions. ========================================================================
bill@polygen.uucp (Bill Poitras) (10/25/89)
In article <4280@ncsuvx.ncsu.edu> unkydave@shumv1.ncsu.edu (David Bank) writes: >In article <AZEdI9u00VoH4TnkUp@andrew.cmu.edu> hp0p+@andrew.cmu.edu (Hokkun Pang) writes: > Borland was founded around 1983 (or maybe it was 1982) by Phillipe >Kahn (I think that's how you spell him name) who was, at the time, an >illigal immigrant from France. [stuff deleted] From what I have heard, Phillipe Kahn wrote Turbo Pascal partially because he couldn't get a job because he was an illegal immigrant. Kind of like: 'Gee, I can't get a normal job, so why don't I write a cheap, revolutionary PC Pascal compiler and build a multi-million dollar company.' Yeah...that's the ticket! +-----------------+---------------------------+-----------------------------+ | Bill Poitras | Polygen Corporation | {princeton mit-eddie | | (bill) | Waltham, MA USA | buita sunne}!polygen!bill | +-----------------+---------------------------+-----------------------------+
ron@woan.austin.ibm.com (Ronald S. Woan) (10/25/89)
> Turbo Pascal is based on a danish pascal compiler, which I think was (is?) > called Poly Pascal. Turbo Prolog is also a danish product. > I don't know about the other products, Borland probably bought them and > changed the label. > As for Philip Kahn, I very much doubt that he exists. I can't believe what I have been hearing! Of course Mr. Kahn exists! He is interviewed extensively in the US press and I met him at the last West Coas Computer Faire, as well. The Turbo Pascal story is being quite bungled too. Legend has it that Kahn wrote it himself, perhaps while he was in France. Some people don't realize that he was a prominent mathematician... Don't give us this about changing labels, and give the Borland programmers some credit... True they have bought some thing, but I am quite sure that all of the compilers are their own. They are sold under different labels in Europe though for distribution reasons... Ron +------All Views Expressed Are My Own And Are Not Necessarily Shared By-------+ +-------------------------------My Employer-----------------------------------+ + Ronald S. Woan (IBM VNET)WOAN AT AUSTIN, (AUSTIN)ron@woan.austin.ibm.com + + outside of IBM @cs.utexas.edu:ibmaus!auschs!woan.austin.ibm.com!ron +
laredo@csri.toronto.edu (Jim Alain Laredo) (10/25/89)
Does anybody knows how many copies of Turbo Pascal (in all its versions) have been sold since it came out? thanks, Jim.
jl04@vaxb.acs.unt.edu (James Hague) (10/26/89)
In article <AZEdI9u00VoH4TnkUp@andrew.cmu.edu>, hp0p+@andrew.cmu.edu (Hokkun Pang) writes: > I've been a happy Borland user for a long time now. I have TP 3, 4, 5, 5.5. > TC 2, TA 1, TD 1, Quattro, SideKnick Plus, Eureka, and have used others as > well. So naturally, it's nice to know who are the people that made all these > possible. Who founded Borland and who're the cheif architects of these > products? Anyone know? Also, I wonder if Borland will publish something on > the history of Turbo Pascal, just like Bill Gates did on MSDOS? (after all, > TP is probably is second most owned PC software, next to MSDOS) Borland's products are great, but for the most part they weren't created by Borland. Borland is more of a software aquistion house that keeps updating aquired products, than a company that develops new software. Of course, they try to keep this quiet, but a lot of info leaks out anyway. For instance, it's widely known that Turbo C was originally Wizard C (take a look at some circa-1985 Byte C Compiler comparisons). Even if it wasn't originally created by Borland, it's still a great piece of programming. Ditto for their other products. James "The Junkster" Hague, University of North Texas
rwh@me.utoronto.ca (Russell Herman) (10/26/89)
Borland's success is also due to their fine attitude towards customer service. E.g., a few months ago I dropped them a note detailing some difficulties I was having with TD386 on my machine. Yesterday I received a 4 disk TD/TASM upgrade set. Now THAT's how vendors should treat their customers! Russ Herman INTERNET: rwh@me.utoronto.ca UUCP: ..uunet!utai!me!rwh
madd@world.std.com (jim frost) (10/26/89)
In article <751@awdprime.UUCP> ron@woan.austin.ibm.com (Ronald S. Woan) writes: |and give the Borland programmers |some credit... True they have bought some thing, but I am quite sure that |all of the compilers are their own. No. Turbo C, at least, was originally Wizard C. It was purchased by Borland which streamlined it (basically using memory in place of temporary files wherever possible) and added the now-familiar integrated environment. Most of the other Borland commercial packages were also bought and improved, rather than completely implemented by Borland. I believe only SideKick was a Borland original in this category (SideKick made their name in the commercial world, so this is no small statement). I'm not putting down Borland -- I've been using Turbo Pascal since the CP/M days -- but they will definitely buy good or fairly good products and improve them. This makes good business sense and leads to better products in short time periods. jim frost software tool & die madd@std.com
bjornb@rhi.hi.is (Bjorn H Bjornsson) (10/27/89)
Numerous people have pointed out to me that Phillipe Kahn does indeed exist.
My sincere apologies to Mr. Kahn and everybody who got offended.
The error was partly because I've never heard or read about the man except
the name and how he wrote all the Borlands procucts almost single handed.
I still believe that Borlands part of the manufacturing of it's product
is vastly overrated.
The danish programmers I keep talking about, might of course be Borland staff.
Then I would be wrong, I guess.
Bjorn
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Bjorn Heimir Bjornsson Internet: bjornb@rhi.hi.is
University of Iceland UUCP: {mcvax,enea}!hafro!rhi!bjornbalex@mks.com (Alex White) (10/27/89)
In article <751@awdprime.UUCP> ron@woan.austin.ibm.com (Ronald S. Woan) writes: >give us this about changing labels, and give the Borland programmers >some credit... True they have bought some thing, but I am quite sure that >all of the compilers are their own. They are sold under different labels in This is false. Their C compiler (Turbo C) was bought from Wizard. I know, I owned Wizard C, and owned a support contract, and one day when phoning their support line was given an answering machine forwarding me to Borland (who gave all owners of Wizard C a free copy of Turbo C) (but refused to honour the support contract with wizard).
scott@hpcvca.CV.HP.COM (Scott Linn) (10/27/89)
/ hpcvca:comp.sys.ibm.pc / bjornb@rhi.hi.is (Bjorn H Bjornsson) / 5:07 pm Oct 23, 1989 / >Turbo Pascal is based on a danish pascal compiler, which I think was (is?) >called Poly Pascal. Turbo Prolog is also a danish product. >I don't know about the other products, Borland probably bought them and >changed the label. >As for Philip Kahn, I very much doubt that he exists. >-- >Bjorn Heimir Bjornsson Internet: bjornb@rhi.hi.is >University of Iceland UUCP: {mcvax,enea}!hafro!rhi!bjornb >---------- What a bunch of horse-hocky. I had lunch with Phillipe Kahn at Stanford, and he looked pretty alive to me... As he told the story, there were a bunch of people who wanted to make some money writing software. So, they started writing some packages (I think it was statistics). Anyway, they were extremely disappointed with the compilers available at that time, so they just wrote a new one. They were demoing their package to someone, and it crashed or the customer asked about an enhancement. The person demoing then quickly went into the compiler and fixed the problem. The customer then said "forget about (xyz), I want to see that compiler!". The customer convinced them that there would be a very large market for such a compiler, so they decided to "try" to sell it, and the rest is history. Their company is in Scotts Valley, near Santa Cruz. Phillipe will be the one with the loud hawaiian shirt on. Scott Linn
kjc@cuuxb.ATT.COM (~XT6561340~Kevin Coulter~C29~L18~6282~) (10/27/89)
In article <1246@krafla.rhi.hi.is> bjornb@rhi.hi.is (Bjorn H Bjornsson) writes: >As for Philip Kahn, I very much doubt that he exists. Phillippe Kahn very much exists. I once had the "opportunity" to hear him speak. He had very definite opinions on things, thats for sure.... -- Kevin Coulter "If it don't have wheels, it ain't a sport!!!" AT&T Data Systems Group Lisle, IL {att,lll-crg,attunix}!cuuxb!kjc OR cuuxb!kjc@arpa.att.com
unkydave@shumv1.uucp (David Bank) (10/27/89)
In article <89Oct25.223331edt.19557@me.utoronto.ca> rwh@me.utoronto.ca (Russell Herman) writes: >Borland's success is also due to their fine attitude towards customer service. >E.g., a few months ago I dropped them a note detailing some difficulties I >was having with TD386 on my machine. Yesterday I received a 4 disk TD/TASM >upgrade set. Now THAT's how vendors should treat their customers! > >Russ Herman >INTERNET: rwh@me.utoronto.ca UUCP: ..uunet!utai!me!rwh I got similar treatment as well. I purchased TP 2.0 my freshman year in college. Later I bought 3.0. I upgraded to 4.0 under their upgrade offer when it came out. About 2 or 3 months later, not long after I had received my 4.0 upgrade, they announced 5.0 BOY...was I PO'd. So I call them up and complain to this nice young lady who promptly shipped me a copy of 5.0 at no charge. I like that. Unky Dave unkydave@shumv1.ncsu.edu
lisbon@vpnet.UUCP (Gerry Swetsky) (10/27/89)
> As for Philip Kahn, I very much doubt that he exists. Guess I met a ghost then, right? Gee, a ghost that plays the saxophone! It's Borland who doesn't exist, my friend! -- ============================================================================= | Help stamp out stupid .signature files! Gerry Swetsky | | | | Home (312)833-8122 Vpnet (312)833-8126 lisbon@vpnet.uucp | =============================================================================
toma@tekgvs.LABS.TEK.COM (Tom Almy) (10/27/89)
In article <1989Oct26.150041.5247@world.std.com> madd@world.UUCP (jim frost) writes: >Most of the other Borland commercial packages were also bought and >improved, rather than completely implemented by Borland. I believe >only SideKick was a Borland original in this category (SideKick made >their name in the commercial world, so this is no small statement). Ironically, they wrote SideKick as an in-house tool, and then commercialized it. But I thought most of their products they developed. Their product line (I hope I'm not leaving anything out): Product Did they do it? Sidekick Yes (and follow up products too) Turbo Lightning Yes Superkey Yes Reflex No Paradox No Quattro Yes Sprint No And they did all their languages (Pascal, Prolog, Basic, Assembler) except for Turbo-C, and also developed (but didn't sell) Turbo Modula-2 (for CP/M), and what is now JPI TopSpeed Modula-2 and C. If I'm wrong on any of this, I'd like to know (and I'm sure someone will tell me!) Tom Almy toma@tekgvs.labs.tek.com Standard Disclaimers Apply
gary@dvnspc1.Dev.Unisys.COM (Gary Barrett) (10/27/89)
Alex White writes: > Their C compiler (Turbo C) was bought from Wizard. > I know, I owned Wizard C, and owned a support contract, and one day > when phoning their support line was given an answering machine forwarding > me to Borland (who gave all owners of Wizard C a free copy of Turbo C) > (but refused to honour the support contract with wizard). Very sorry to hear that, because Wizard produced a vary fine product, one that repeatedly got great technical reviews but not a lot of press. That Borland purchased it was a great coup for Kahn. Too bad you were apparently treated unfairly. By the way, my company (UNISYS) offered Wizard C on its proprietary "BTOS" workstation. After Wizard's sale of C to Borland, BTOS C became a Borland product. So now BTOS users see a BORLAND banner on their screen at program startup. (Too bad Borland has not enhanced BTOS C to match Turbo C (PC) capabilities.) -- ======================================================================== Gary L. Barrett My employer may or may not agree with my opinions. And I may or may not agree with my employer's opinions. ========================================================================
pathak@s.cs.uiuc.edu (10/27/89)
> Turbo Pascal is based on a danish pascal compiler, which I think was (is?) > called Poly Pascal. Turbo Prolog is also a danish product. > I don't know about the other products, Borland probably bought them and > changed the label. > As for Philip Kahn, I very much doubt that he exists. > > Bjorn > -- > Bjorn Heimir Bjornsson Internet: bjornb@rhi.hi.is > University of Iceland UUCP: {mcvax,enea}!hafro!rhi!bjornb Philip Kahn is a real person, Frank Borland and mule are not. Heeren Pathak pathak@cs.uiuc.edu
chasm@attctc.Dallas.TX.US (Charles Marslett) (10/29/89)
In article <6241@tekgvs.LABS.TEK.COM>, toma@tekgvs.LABS.TEK.COM (Tom Almy) writes: [Stsatement about Borland's in house development of several products, only one of which I will attempt to dispute.] > Ironically, they wrote SideKick as an in-house tool, and then commercialized > it. But I thought most of their products they developed. Their product line > (I hope I'm not leaving anything out): > > Product Did they do it? > Sidekick Yes (and follow up products too) Nope, the original Sidekick may have been Borland-developed, but several of the enhancements have come from external developers, and the current product (Sidekick Plus) is from an English developer. > If I'm wrong on any of this, I'd like to know (and I'm sure someone will > tell me!) I did. > Tom Almy > toma@tekgvs.labs.tek.com > Standard Disclaimers Apply Charles Marslett (standard disclaimer follows, so I'll have enough new stuff!) =============================================================================== "Those who would sacrifice ** Charles Marslett liberty for security, ** STB Systems, Inc. <-- apply all std. disclaimers deserve neither." ** Wordmark Systems <-- that's just me -- Benjamin Franklin ** chasm\@attctc.dallas.tx.us -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
jan@cancol.oz (Jan Newmarch) (10/30/89)
> And they did all their languages (Pascal, Prolog, Basic, Assembler) except The story I heard is that Turbo Prolog was developed by a European firm (Swedish?) and was offered to the makers of a leading Prolog for Sun and other workstations. They turned it down because it was too far from the Prolog standard, but Borland took it anyway. +----------------------+---+ | Jan Newmarch |:-)| ACSnet: jan@cancol.oz | Info. Sciences & Eng.|___| ARPA: jan%cancol.oz.au@uunet.uu.net | Canberra CAE | UUCP: {uunet,ukc}!munnari!cancol.oz.au!jan | P.O. Box 1 | CSNET: jan%cancol.oz@australia | Belconnen A.C.T. 2616 | JANET: jan%au.oz.cancol@EAN-RELAY | AUSTRALIA | +--------------------------+
pcg@emerald.cs.aber.ac.uk (Piercarlo Grandi) (11/01/89)
In article <213400064@s.cs.uiuc.edu> pathak@s.cs.uiuc.edu writes: > Turbo Pascal is based on a danish pascal compiler, which I think was (is?) > called Poly Pascal. Turbo Prolog is also a danish product. > I don't know about the other products, Borland probably bought them and > changed the label. > As for Philip Kahn, I very much doubt that he exists. > > Bjorn > -- > Bjorn Heimir Bjornsson Internet: bjornb@rhi.hi.is > University of Iceland UUCP: {mcvax,enea}!hafro!rhi!bjornb Philip Kahn is a real person, Frank Borland and mule are not. Heeren Pathak pathak@cs.uiuc.edu In an interview, Philippe Kahn, who is French, said that he called the company Borland because it looked like a good American sounding name; he did not want to draw attention to himself, because he was an illegal immigrant. As to the company products, the company is very much in the sotware *publishing* business, he says, even more than in the *development* business. That makes good business sense. Apparently Kahn did some hands on work with Turbo Pascal in the early days, but it is not the (main or only) author. -- Piercarlo "Peter" Grandi | ARPA: pcg%cs.aber.ac.uk@nsfnet-relay.ac.uk Dept of CS, UCW Aberystwyth | UUCP: ...!mcvax!ukc!aber-cs!pcg Penglais, Aberystwyth SY23 3BZ, UK | INET: pcg@cs.aber.ac.uk
markd@gamer.UUCP (Mark Davidson) (11/02/89)
I'll add a little bit of info to this. It is my understanding that Borland purchased Turbo Prolog from a Danish company (which explains why some of the predicates had non-American spelling in the manual; for example, colour). I don't recall if the articel I'm following up to mentioned this, but Sprint is a re-done version of Mark Of The Unicorn's (later, FW Corp) The Final Word II I know; I used to use TFW II. Borland offered me the same upgrade they offered everybody else: $99. Mark E. Davidson, ...!novavax!gamer!markd
austin@bucsf.bu.edu (Austin Ziegler) (11/03/89)
>>>>> On 2 Nov 89 01:58:44 GMT, markd@gamer.UUCP (Mark Davidson) said:
*> I'll add a little bit of info to this. It is my understanding that
*> Borland purchased Turbo Prolog from a Danish company (which explains why
*> some of the predicates had non-American spelling in the manual; for
*> example, colour). I don't recall if the articel I'm following up to
*> mentioned this, but Sprint is a re-done version of Mark Of The Unicorn's
*> (later, FW Corp) The Final Word II I know; I used to use TFW II.
*> Borland offered me the same upgrade they offered everybody else: $99.
Yes. I was very unhappy with Sprint (I'm not a FWII user). However,
they did specifically say that they had bought the rights to FWII. They
have the potential to make a better WP program, but I am not sure they will
bother...
Austin Ziegler
BTW does anyone know the format for the *.CHR files in TP? I want to make
my own fonts.
austin@bucsf.bu.eduleonard@bucket.UUCP (Leonard Erickson) (11/05/89)
austin@bucsf.bu.edu (Austin Ziegler) writes: >BTW does anyone know the format for the *.CHR files in TP? I want to make >my own fonts. The formats are given in the BGI toolkit. A version was posted to comp.binaries.ibm.pc aearlier this year. Or you can grab the files off the Borland Programming B Forum on CompuServe. I *think* you can also request them on floppy from Borland... -- Leonard Erickson ...!tektronix!reed!percival!bucket!leonard CIS: [70465,203] "I'm all in favor of keeping dangerous weapons out of the hands of fools. Let's start with typewriters." -- Solomon Short
peter@cunixc.cc.columbia.edu (Peter Wu) (11/08/89)
In article <1747@bucket.UUCP> leonard@bucket.UUCP (Leonard Erickson) writes: >I *think* you can >also request them on floppy from Borland... Nope. I tried. All they sent me was instructions on how to get an intro pac to Compuserve, and it took them several months to get to my letter alone. Pedro Quien?