katic@sri-unix (08/02/82)
Having seen TRON for the first time last nite, I am now ready to discuss it. Yes, the acting isn't the best--but its ok. Given the difficulty of working in an environment totally divorced from the major data inputs for the actors (sets, etc), the acting wad pretty good. Yes, the plot is weak. But so what--it is good enough to be minimally believeable. At least it HAD a plot, and it was internally consistant and carried thru the entire film consistently. Yes, the computer graphics were great. I haven't enjoyed anything so much in a long time. So, what am I going to flame about?? FLAME ON FLAME ON FLAME ON FLAME ON FLAME ON Having gotten enough of the pseudomystical religious nonsense from the churchs, the "fair" press we have, TV "ministers" and all sorts of other worthless huchsters, I had intended to have a nite of pure enjoyment. What I got instead was the Judeo-Christian savour myth, served up in an asinine setting. Do a bit of substitution: user christ program person MCP devil io channel church (fuzzy here, I can't remember what they called the place where the old man was.) computer universe And you are back in sunday school, being told to swallow all that guff we were all fed as children. I am afraid that I had come to expect a lot more from Disney, and stopped seeing thier movies a few years ago when I stopped seeing it. I was hoping TRON was better, but appearently somebody sold out to Falwell & crowd. FLAME OFF FLAME OFF FLAME OFF FLAME OFF FLAME OFF I would like to here this subject debated over the net because I am becomming increasingly concerned about the seemingly great rise in (what I see as) the dangerous trends of repression engendered by the "Moral Majority" types. If free people are to remain free, the atmosphere must be kept clear or EVERYONE trying to restrict personal liberties. The fact that--should I want one--I may have to go to ridiculous extents to get a Playboy or Hustler makes me nervous. Well, enough for now. katic (....!nsc!katic)
joel (08/03/82)
You would like to "here this subject debated over the net"? Don't you mean "hear this subject debated"? Or maybe it's "read this subject". Or is it "reed this subject"? No wonder you feel like a child in Sunday school. You write like one. Or is it "rite like one"? Next time, put articles like this in net.jokes where they belong. Joel Duerksen
3215rfs (08/03/82)
This flame seems a bit paranoid. What we have with TRON is a Walt Disney good guy-bad guy movie. If you want depth try Satre, not Disney.
ecn-pa.bruner (08/03/82)
If this becomes a discussion, it really belongs somewhere else than "net.movies", so I submitted a reply to "net.misc". John Bruner Purdue University/EE Department
rael (08/04/82)
I fail to see the connection between TRON and Sunday school. I can't understand how nsc!katic first tells the net that the plot of TRON was consistent but "thin", and then he reads all these religious parallels into it. Don't get me wrong now, I am pro morality but I disagree with the way in which the Moral Majority plans to make our country "moral" (to the point that I consider myself a member of the "Inmoral Minority"). Still, if we are going to start making these parallels then we are in trouble. For example, take your standart plot or story. What have you got in it?: Trouble element People Bad Guy Devil Hero Christ Get it?? At some point in time we have to start trusting and beleiving that the authors are trying to entertain us or giving us a message (different from the one dealt with in this article); otherwise we'll be involved in this religious arena in 99% of everything that has and will ever be written. inuxa!rael
bstempleton (08/04/82)
Well, I thought that the 'Flynn as Christ' in TRON was fairly obvious as well. This suprised me, for when I recall my days in High School English classes, I remember how funny I thought it was that teachers like to link central characters in books to Christ. Here it was, right in the open. Allusions to Christianity are quite common in literature, perhaps more common than they should be. It's hard to deny the amount of influence those religions have had on western culture, of course, so it's not too surprising to find literature reflecting them. What is true is that most christ figures in books only bear a small resemblance to old Jesus. It is thus not too surprising to find differences between TRON and real Christianity. It is quite possible that the authors of TRON did not even do it on purpose - perhaps this myth is so engrained into society that they did it by accident. Even though I am not religious in any way, the symbolism did not bother me at all, unlike the flamer to whom I am responding. At any rate, I don't think there's a real big deal. TRON was just a fantasy, and a very enjoyable one at that.
novo (08/10/82)
Although what inuxa!rael says is true, there are some religious themes in TRON. Several lines compare the users to God, such as: T! Thank God! The users wrote us. God created us.