mcmillan@uranus.cis.ohio-state.edu (Harold McMillan) (11/28/89)
I have just installed an ATI VGA Wonder (256K) in my PC. I have been using Quick C 2.0 with the '/h' option to display 43 lines with my old EGA card. Now (with the VGA card) when I use the '/h' option, I see what appears to be the first 24 or 25 lines of what should be a 43 (or is it 50 with VGA?) line display but the bottom half of my display is completely black. I am using an NEC Multisync II. Quick C documentation does say that the '/h' option works with VGA. Other applications seem to be working fine. Anyone have any ideas on what is going wrong here? -=- Hal McMillan | "Government is the institutionalization mcmillan@cis.ohio-state.edu | of the desire to live off others" CompuServe 72627,642 | -- Someone
pipkins@qmsseq.imagen.com (Jeff Pipkins) (11/30/89)
In article <74412@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu> Harold McMillan <mcmillan@cis.ohio-state.edu> writes: >I have just installed an ATI VGA Wonder (256K) in my PC. I have >been using Quick C 2.0 with the '/h' option to display 43 lines with >my old EGA card. Now (with the VGA card) when I use the '/h' >option, I see what appears to be the first 24 or 25 lines of what >should be a 43 (or is it 50 with VGA?) line display but the >bottom half of my display is completely black... Use the vconfig program that came with your card to set it to EGA mode. Works for me with other programs that otherwise have the same symptom, (like codeview) but I don't use Quick C. OTHER PROBLEMS: I love the 132x44 line mode (I have a Nec MultiSync 3D), but the ANSI.SYS file that comes with MS-DOS 4.01 doesn't seem to like it. Any ideas? ALSO: When I change into 132x44 mode, the screen alignment jumps about an inch to the right. If I adjust it properly, then the next mode change makes it jump back an inch to the left, making it necessary to adjust again. NEC and Gateway said that the problem is with my monitor; Gateway sent a new one and it does the same. A friend with identical setup gets identical results. ANY IDEAS, PLEASE?! /*==========================================================================*\ Jeff Pipkins: pipkins@imagen.com My views are not necessarily shared by my employer or the IRS. That explains a lot about my paycheck. "Why is it that unpitted dates have pits and pitted dates do not?" \*==========================================================================*/
akcs.larry@nstar.UUCP (Larry Snyder) (12/01/89)
I'm having problems with my ATI VGA Wonder board. I was using a mono monitor and when replacing the monitor with a fixed frequency Mitsubishi 1429C VGA monitor the sync is off. I thought the card could detect the
poffen@chomolungma (Russ Poffenberger) (12/04/89)
In article <49@qmsseq.imagen.com> pipkins@qmsseq.UUCP (Jeff Pipkins) writes: >In article <74412@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu> Harold McMillan <mcmillan@cis.ohio-state.edu> writes: > >ALSO: >When I change into 132x44 mode, the screen alignment jumps about an inch >to the right. If I adjust it properly, then the next mode change makes >it jump back an inch to the left, making it necessary to adjust again. >NEC and Gateway said that the problem is with my monitor; Gateway sent >a new one and it does the same. A friend with identical setup gets >identical results. ANY IDEAS, PLEASE?! > I don't know about the ATI card, but the V7 Fastwrite card has a mechanism whereby you can load a parameter table (they have settings for different monitors) that will automatically correct this. It IS a function of the monitor As they change frequencies to match the mode, they shift position on the screen Russ Poffenberger DOMAIN: poffen@sj.ate.slb.com Schlumberger Technologies UUCP: {uunet,decwrl,amdahl}!sjsca4!poffen 1601 Technology Drive CIS: 72401,276 San Jose, Ca. 95110 (408)437-5254 ------------------------- In a dictatorship, people suffer without complaining. In a democracy, people complain without suffering.
kens@hplsla.HP.COM (Ken Snyder) (12/04/89)
> When I change into 132x44 mode, the screen alignment jumps about an inch > to the right. If I adjust it properly, then the next mode change makes > it jump back an inch to the left, making it necessary to adjust again. My NEC 3D does the same thing. It centers the image of each resolution in a different place. I had a Mitsubishi Diamond Scan 14" monitor and it did a much better job of centering the image from mode to mode. A matter of fact, I thought the NEC I had, had a problem but I heard from others who said that the 3D just just did a poor job of centering images. What to do. Like you, I like everything else about the monitor. Ken
akcs.larry@nstar.UUCP (Larry Snyder) (12/06/89)
> My NEC 3D does the same thing. It centers the image of each resolution >in a different place. I had a Mitsubishi Diamond Scan 14" monitor and it >did a much better job of centering the image from mode to mode. A matter >of fact, I thought the NEC I had, had a problem but I heard from others >who said that the 3D just just did a poor job of centering images. What >to do. Like you, I like everything else about the monitor. What type of video board do you have? I currently have an ATI VGA Wonder with 256K and the board doesn't want to work with a fixed frequency (31.5 khz) VGA monitor or an Ultra 14 multisync in the 640x350 16 color mode. I called ATI and they are aware of a problem with the board in the filtering that is pulling the board out of sync and issued me an RA number to return the board. The reason I asked you originally is that I am replacing my Mitsubishi 1429C with a NEC 3D - using the ATI board (upgraded to 512K) and hopefully will be running X-Windows. larry@nstar
andyross@ddsw1.MCS.COM (Andrew Rossmann) (12/06/89)
> Resp: 2 of 2 by kens at hplsla.HP.COM >Author: [Ken Snyder] > Date: Tue Dec 05 1989 16:40 CST >> When I change into 132x44 mode, the screen alignment jumps about an inch >> to the right. If I adjust it properly, then the next mode change makes >> it jump back an inch to the left, making it necessary to adjust again. > > My NEC 3D does the same thing. It centers the image of each resolution >in a different place. I had a Mitsubishi Diamond Scan 14" monitor and it >did a much better job of centering the image from mode to mode. A matter >of fact, I thought the NEC I had, had a problem but I heard from others >who said that the 3D just just did a poor job of centering images. What >to do. Like you, I like everything else about the monitor. > >Ken My NEC 3D also HAD problems with 132 column mode. I have a Paradise VGA+ card, and have found out that the monitor works MUCH better if you leave the card set to the FIXED FREQUENCY setting!! The multisync mode of many cards is geared more toward the original Multisync and similar monitors. On the Paradise card, setting fixed frequency will NOT affect the 800x600 mode. The only 'problem' is that in the fixed frequency mode, you must load in a different font (skinnier) than in multi-sync mode. The VGAPLUS program that came with the card does this automatically. I can send a program that loads the proper fonts (in fact, the 43 line font had been modified to look a bit better) from the DOS prompt. I originally wrote it so that Borland's SPRINT word processor could work in the 132 column modes (works great!) In the multisync mode, the 132 column modes on my 3D were so far to the right that I was unable to adjust it enough left to get the whole thing on screen. In fixed-sync mode, all modes center perfectly. The 3D is pre-programmed for VGA frequencies. ALso, keep your 3D's MODE switch to OFF. Andrew Rossmann andyross@ddsw1.MCS.COM
karl@ddsw1.MCS.COM (Karl Denninger) (12/06/89)
We recently sold a 3D with a system and an ATI Wonder 512, and didn't notice any problem with the screen being offcenter and the like.......
akcs.larry@nstar.UUCP (Larry Snyder) (12/06/89)
>We recently sold a 3D with a system and an ATI Wonder 512, and didn't notice >any problem with the screen being offcenter and the like....... I called ATI and there is a board design flaw that disables the board from working in the 31.5 khz mode with some monitors (the ones that I had qualified - and Ultra-14 and Mitsubishi 1429C). The problem according to ATI was that the board has internal filtering to pass FCC, and likewise the monitors included filtering - thus providing too much filtering and keeping the monitor from getting in sync with the ATI. I was issued an RA number, and ATI mentioned that they changed all boards in stock and production runs to fix this problem.
karl@ddsw1.MCS.COM (Karl Denninger) (12/07/89)
>----- >Response 5 of 5 (7178) by akcs.larry at nstar.UUCP on Wed 06 Dec 89 01:24 >[Larry Snyder] >(18 lines) > >What type of video board do you have? I currently have an ATI VGA Wonder >with 256K and the board doesn't want to work with a fixed frequency (31.5 >khz) VGA monitor or an Ultra 14 multisync in the 640x350 16 color mode. I >called ATI and they are aware of a problem with the board in the filtering >that is pulling the board out of sync and issued me an RA number to return >the board. The reason I asked you originally is that I am replacing my Which revision of the board do you have? -- Karl Denninger (karl@ddsw1.MCS.COM, <well-connected>!ddsw1!karl) Public Access Data Line: [+1 708 566-8911], Voice: [+1 708 566-8910] Macro Computer Solutions, Inc. "Quality Solutions at a Fair Price"
coy@ssc-vax.UUCP (Stephen B Coy) (12/10/89)
In article <5190064@hplsla.HP.COM>, kens@hplsla.HP.COM (Ken Snyder) writes: > > When I change into 132x44 mode, the screen alignment jumps about an inch > > to the right. If I adjust it properly, then the next mode change makes > > it jump back an inch to the left, making it necessary to adjust again. > > My NEC 3D does the same thing. It centers the image of each resolution > in a different place. I had a Mitsubishi Diamond Scan 14" monitor and it > did a much better job of centering the image from mode to mode. A matter > of fact, I thought the NEC I had, had a problem but I heard from others > who said that the 3D just just did a poor job of centering images. What > to do. Like you, I like everything else about the monitor. > > Ken The NEC 3D actually remembers the settings for each mode which means that if you don't like the default factory settings you must go through each video mode and set them individually. I've got a 3D connected to an ATI VGA Wonder. The graphics are great! In playing with it, I've noticed a few oddities. Any comments? 1) Switching in and out of 800x600 mode seems to be a little harder for the 3D. It takes a little longer to resync. 2) Using MSC 5.1 to cycle the palette causes "snow" to appear on the screen. It appears that the ATI card allows the palette entries to be updated during display, not just during the vertical retrace time. This would also explain why changing the palette on the ATI card is much faster than on an Orchid ProDesigner. 3) When I display an image in 800x600 mode with a light background color I noticed extra lines near the top and bottom of the screen. It seems like the beam is turned off a little too late and turned back on a little too early during the vertical retrace. Currently I have no idea if this is a problem with the monitor, the card, or the phase of the moon. Stephen Coy uw-beaver!ssc-vax!coy 800x600 mode seems to be a little harder for the 3D. It takes just a little longer to resync.