jwbirdsa@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (James Webster Birdsall) (01/11/89)
In response to the argument over whether Telix is any good or not: It seems to be OK but it can't handle 8N1! Or, rather, it can handle 8N1 but you have to leave the setting as 7E1 or get garbage on the screen. I have called known 8N1 numbers and used zmodem (which requires 8-bit connection) and gotten a valid file, but I had to leave Telix set at 7E1. Other than that, Telix seems OK, if a bit over-featured. ======================================================================== ! James W. Birdsall Compu$erve: 71261,1731 ! ! jwbirdsa@phoenix.Princeton.EDU jwbirdsa@bogey.Princeton.EDU ! ! jwbirdsa@pucc.BITNET ...allegra!princeton!phoenix!jwbirdsa! ======================================================================== ! During emergency landing, replace dinner tray and bring seat to ! ! upright position. Extinuish all smoking materials... including ! ! spacecraft, if possible. --Calvin ! ========================================================================
mms%sordid@Sun.COM (Michael Silverstein) (01/11/89)
In article <5269@phoenix.Princeton.EDU> jwbirdsa@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (James Webster Birdsall) writes: >*> >*> In response to the argument over whether Telix is any good or not: >*> It seems to be OK but it can't handle 8N1! Or, rather, it can handle 8N1 >*> but you have to leave the setting as 7E1 or get garbage on the screen. >*> I have called known 8N1 numbers and used zmodem (which requires 8-bit >*> connection) and gotten a valid file, but I had to leave Telix set at >*> 7E1. >*> Other than that, Telix seems OK, if a bit over-featured. I found the same thing! I started using Telix, & it seemed that some sites had switched to 7E1. Something's a bit strange, however; BBS's running RBBS are still accessible with 8N1. Another minor possible complaint: The Kermit options don't include block check level 3 (CRC). So file transfers are done with single byte check sums. Overall, I agree. Telix is pretty good. Have you noticed that it owes alot to Qmodem? It has similar features, key definitions, and "look and feel" *-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-*-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=* | /\/\ike Silverstein | This can't be deja vous. Things are more like | | sun!mms -or- mms@sun.com | they are now, than they've ever been before! | *-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-*-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=*
dmurdoch@watdcsu.waterloo.edu (D.J. Murdoch - Statistics) (01/11/89)
In article <5269@phoenix.Princeton.EDU> jwbirdsa@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (James Webster Birdsall) writes: > > In response to the argument over whether Telix is any good or not: >It seems to be OK but it can't handle 8N1! Or, rather, it can handle 8N1 >but you have to leave the setting as 7E1 or get garbage on the screen. It sounds like your host is transmitting in even parity. If you want to receive even parity but transmit no parity, you can set it to 8N1 but ask it to strip the high bit of incoming data, in the Terminal Options menu. Duncan Murdoch
tbetz@dasys1.UUCP (Tom Betz) (01/12/89)
Quoth mms@sun.UUCP (Michael Silverstein) in <84649@sun.uucp>: |In article <5269@phoenix.Princeton.EDU> James Webster Birdsall writes: |>*> In response to the argument over whether Telix is any good or not: |>*> It seems to be OK but it can't handle 8N1! Or, rather, it can handle 8N1 |>*> but you have to leave the setting as 7E1 or get garbage on the screen. This is news to me! What version are you using? I have no problem with 8N1, have been using Telix from 3.0 to the current 3.11. Do you have your dialing directory entry set up correctly? |I found the same thing! I started using Telix, & it seemed that |some sites had switched to 7E1. Something's a bit strange, however; |BBS's running RBBS are still accessible with 8N1. I use some SCO Xenix 2.3.1 systems with the new %#$*@%$#%@ getty that require 8N1, and have had no such trouble. Or anywhere else, for that matter. |Another minor possible complaint: The Kermit options don't include |block check level 3 (CRC). So file transfers are done with single |byte check sums. Colin Sampaleanu makes no bones that he has incorporated an old version of Kermit, and that people who want more advanced features should install an external version. He may implement the advanced features in the next major release... and has stated that he will implement all the advanced features of the latest Zmodem-DSZ releases. |Overall, I agree. Telix is pretty good. Have you noticed that it |owes alot to Qmodem? It has similar features, key definitions, and |"look and feel" As does Procomm+... if a user interface works, why change it? I've tried all the shareware packages out there, and have settled on Telix as the best balance of power and ease of use... the SALT language alone makes it more powerful than anything out there. It's pretty good, but what software is perfect? -- "Big Bob says he's getting tired of you saying he |"Do you think God lets doesn't really exist." - Fat Little Nerdy Kid - | you plea bargain?" Tom Betz - ZCNY - Yonkers, NY - 914-375-1514 |"I'd worry more about ...cmcl2!dasys1!tbetz OR ...uunet!dasys1!tbetz | your mom." - C & H
bkbarret@sactoh0.UUCP (Brent K. Barrett) (01/12/89)
In article <5269@phoenix.Princeton.EDU>, jwbirdsa@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (James Webster Birdsall) writes: > > In response to the argument over whether Telix is any good or not: > It seems to be OK but it can't handle 8N1! Or, rather, it can handle 8N1 > but you have to leave the setting as 7E1 or get garbage on the screen. > I have called known 8N1 numbers and used zmodem (which requires 8-bit > connection) and gotten a valid file, but I had to leave Telix set at > 7E1. *FLAME* Excuse me? I call about 10 local BBSs at 8N1 using Telix 3.11 and have had absolutely no side effects? I think you should look at your hardware and all other possible answers before assuming the software is at fault. In addition, read all the manuals, since you might have missed something (I'm not saying you didn't read them, but am just reminding others to do so). *FLAME OFF* Now. Nice to meet you. :) -- "Somebody help me! I'm trapped in this computer!" Brent Barrett ..pacbell!sactoh0!bkbarret GEMAIL: B.K.BARRETT
johnm@trsvax.UUCP (01/13/89)
I've had no problems at all with using 8N1 under Telix v3.11. Are you using the latest version? John Munsch
thaler@speedy.cs.wisc.edu (Maurice Thaler) (01/16/89)
Sorry, to say that TELIX owes anything to "QMODEM" or John Friel is an
insult to TELIX. QMODEM is single-handedly responsible for the wide
spread mis-usage of incorrect names of protocols. Qmodem took years to
figure out XMODEM-CRC, called XMODEM-1K "YMODEM", called XMDODEM-1K-G,
"YMODEM-G", and added insipid protocols like "IMODEM" (idiot modem?). To
further the mess, Clark Development followed QMODEM's bogus standards in
their PC-BOARD software thereby really messing up peoples heads.
We are very lucky that Chuck Forsberg's DSZ is of such high quality,
that slowly but surely, and purely by USERS' demands, ZMODEM has become
the defacto standard on good BBS's thereby rendering mutant, misnamed
protocols in the dust.
As a SYSOP of two BBS's, I can only say that QMODEM and John Friel did
not perform any public services.
P.S. When I first tried QMODEM several years ago, I tried its protocols,
found them brain-damaged, called up Friel's BBS and left him a polite
message hinting that he should read XYMODEM.DOC which I uploaded there.
He obviously ignored both my message and Chuck Forsberg's excellent
Rossetta Stone Document.
Maurice Thaler SYSOP Audio Projects BBS (608) 836-9473
SYSOP Power Board BBS (608) 222-8842 mms%sordid@Sun.COM (Michael Silverstein) (01/16/89)
In article <7021@spool.cs.wisc.edu> thaler@speedy.cs.wisc.edu (Maurice Thaler) writes: >*> >*> Sorry, to say that TELIX owes anything to "QMODEM" or John Friel is an >*> insult to TELIX. QMODEM is single-handedly responsible for the wide >*> spread mis-usage of incorrect names of protocols. ........ A bit overstated, don't you think. Qmodem is a fine program which enabled many of us to communicate with BBS's easily and conveniently. Many of its features can be found in Telix and other comm programs (at least at the user interface if not internally). Qmodem built on PC-talk, which built on Modem4, Modem7, etc. Naturally, each new effort takes up where the last one left off. Incidently, I still find that some (not all) sites that are accessible with 8N1 with Qmodem or Kermit, require 7E1 with Telix. Not a problem, just a curiosity. *-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-*-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=* | /\/\ike Silverstein | This can't be deja vu. Things are more like | | sun!mms -or- mms@sun.com | they are now, than they've ever been before! | *-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-*-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=*
woan@cory.Berkeley.EDU (Ronald S. Woan) (01/21/89)
I am interested in compiling a listing of reasons to use the various communication programs out there. Currently, I am using PROCOMM PLUS and PIBTERM, but I have just downloaded TELIX and started to look at it. What strikes me immediately is that there are no apparent host modes and a script learn mode. A good point is that it takes less memory than the two programs that I use currently. Since built-in zmodem is not a real concern of mine, is there any reason to switch? Also, I would like opinions about the popular commercial programs as well (Mirror, Crosstalk, etc..). Ron Woan | "This whole right brain, left brain thing is just a plot on the part | | of the humanities depart. to excuse their never having learned any science"| | Roger Dell, Prof. of Mathematics | | Ronald Woan, woan@cory.berkeley.edu |
skeeve@mhuxu.UUCP (Chris Riley) (01/24/89)
In article <8979@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU> woan@cory.Berkeley.EDU.UUCP (Ronald S. Woan) writes: > I have just downloaded TELIX and started to look at it. What >strikes me immediately is that there are no apparent host modes and a script >learn mode. > >Ronald Woan, woan@cory.berkeley.edu Telix does indeed have a host mode. The binaries archive should have two files called host.slc and hconfig.slc. Hconfig asks you what passwords you want to use in host mode, and host.slc is what you run to start host mode. If you look in the docuentation archives, you will find the source code for these scripts. That's what I really like. I don't like the host mode they send you, but am writing my own based on it that is more like procomm's. The script language is very powerful, and has pretty good documentation. The documentation archives are called tlx310-2.arc for the main telix rogram, and tlx310-3.arc for the salt script language. The reason they aren't named tlx311-?.arc is that the documentation hasn't changed from version 3.10 to 3.11. -- Chris Riley My mind isn't always in the gutter skeeve@mhuxu.att.com -- sometimes it comes out to feed. uunet!likewise!att!mhuxu!skeeve fnord What I think has no bearing on what AT&T thinks.
allbery@ncoast.ORG (Brandon S. Allbery) (01/28/89)
As quoted from <8979@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU> by woan@cory.Berkeley.EDU (Ronald S. Woan): +--------------- | I am interested in compiling a listing of reasons to use the various | communication programs out there. Currently, I am using PROCOMM PLUS and | PIBTERM, but I have just downloaded TELIX and started to look at it. What | strikes me immediately is that there are no apparent host modes and a script | learn mode. A good point is that it takes less memory than the two programs +--------------- Script learn mode is a bit difficult to implement with Telix-style scripts. The scripts are compiled. (Of course, Red Ryder on the Mac manages to "learn" compiled scripts, so it isn't impossible.) Telix's script language looks a lot like C. It's also extremely powerful, for a script language; the host mode you're looking for is in the script HOST.SLT. In fact, you can modify the script to make host mode work the way you want it to (try THAT with Procomm!). A separate script (HCONFIG.SLT) allows you to configure various host mode parameters, and can also be modified to e.g. add new configuration options for your modified HOST. I'm just a fairly satisfied user.... ++Brandon -- Brandon S. Allbery, moderator of comp.sources.misc allbery@ncoast.org uunet!hal.cwru.edu!ncoast!allbery ncoast!allbery@hal.cwru.edu Send comp.sources.misc submissions to comp-sources-misc@<backbone> NCoast Public Access UN*X - (216) 781-6201, 300/1200/2400 baud, login: makeuser
pa1022@sdcc15.ucsd.edu (pa1022) (01/29/89)
As Brandon said, Telix comes with a host mode written in its
extensive "C"-like script language.
From somebody else who is not associated (so far as i know) with the
author of telix, there is a script program called AUTO-GEN that
tries to implement a learn script function. It's kind of hoaky and
really slow, but it works. If you can't find it and want it, I'll
mail it to you.
--
Eric Hedstrom GEnie: G.HEDSTROM USnail: P.O. Box 4563
Internet: pa1022%iugrad2@ucsd.edu La Jolla, CA 92037
"I drive my car quietly, for it goes without saying."ferris@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Richard T. Ferris) (01/12/90)
Has anyone cooked up a nice Telix key file for dialing into an IBM mainframe? Procomm has a nice mode called 3270/950 which reprograms the function keys, + key, backspace and insert keys, etc. Thanks. RF Richard T. Ferris ferris@eniac.seas.upenn.edu University of Pennsylvania
keating@rex.cs.tulane.edu (John W. Keating) (01/12/90)
In article <18921@netnews.upenn.edu> ferris@eniac.seas.upenn.edu.UUCP (Richard T. Ferris) writes: >Has anyone cooked up a nice Telix key file for dialing into >an IBM mainframe? Procomm has a nice mode called 3270/950 >which reprograms the function keys, + key, backspace and >insert keys, etc. > If so, could you either post it, or send me a copy of it? Thanks in advance..... -- ****************************************************************************** * Internet: keating@rex.cs.tulane.edu * /== Tulane * * * Usenet: ...!pyramid!rex!keating * ==== Green * John * * Bitnet: cs6hecu@tcsvm * ====== Wave!! * Keating * * CIS: Hmmm... cantremember... * =========== * * *****************************************************************************
aru@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Sriram Ramkrishna) (01/13/90)
In article <1795@rex.cs.tulane.edu> keating@rex.UUCP (John W. Keating) writes: >>Has anyone cooked up a nice Telix key file for dialing into >>an IBM mainframe? Procomm has a nice mode called 3270/950 > >If so, could you either post it, or send me a copy of it? I would like have a copy also... Sri