DLV101@PSUVM.BITNET (Dwaine L. VanBibber) (09/21/89)
I just saw an advertisement for a the new HP LaserJet IIP. I've been dying to buy a laserprinter for home/personal use but couldn't justify the expense. This printer lists for $1495, has 14 internal fonts, handles four different paper sizes, runs portrait or landscape, 512K memory (upgradeable to 4.5 Mbytes). I doubt its in stores yet, but sounds VERY impressive. I am interested in finding out whether it is HPGL compatible, and if it is a 300dpi printer. Any questions or comments? -Dwaine
wek@point.UUCP (Bill Kuykendall) (09/22/89)
>I am interested in finding out whether it is HPGL compatible, and if it is a >300dpi printer. Any questions or comments? -Dwaine Yes to both. The local mailorder place got 843 of them Friday. I called on Monday -- much too late to get one!
jmcvey@hpdml93.HP.COM (John McVey) (09/22/89)
Laserjet IIP does not speak HPGL. It is 300dpi. John McVey HP Laserjet Lab jmcvey%hpbslq@hplabs.hp.com
jsa00564@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (09/23/89)
/* Written 11:20 pm Sep 20, 1989 by DLV101@PSUVM.BITNET in uxa.cso.uiuc.edu:comp.sys.ibm.pc */ /* ---------- "HP LaserJet IIP" ---------- */ I just saw an advertisement for a the new HP LaserJet IIP. I've been dying to buy a laserprinter for home/personal use but couldn't justify the expense. This printer lists for $1495, has 14 internal fonts, handles four different paper sizes, runs portrait or landscape, 512K memory (upgradeable to 4.5 Mbytes). I doubt its in stores yet, but sounds VERY impressive. I am interested in finding out whether it is HPGL compatible, and if it is a 300dpi printer. Any questions or comments? -Dwaine /* End of text from uxa.cso.uiuc.edu:comp.sys.ibm.pc */ You might consider looking at the HP Deskjet Plus, which retails for $999 and sells at a street price of around $700. The DJ+ is not a laser printer, but rather an ink jet. Now wait, hold on... I bought one because the output is almost indentical to that of a LJII. The printer prints at a top resolution of 300dpi, just like the laserjet. Although the new LJIIP is only $1495, you still have to buy 2MB of memory to get full-page 300dpi graphics. With the deskjet, the computer and software do all the imaging (of course, the deskjet prints slower than a LJ, but full-page graphics seem don't seem to take too much longer than the LJ). Also, the DJ+ has two font cart. slots that can be used for either cart. fonts, soft font memory modules, or even an Epson FX emulation cart. The IIP on the other hand, has only one font slot. (The IIP uses the standard LJ carts, while the DJ+ has its own set). I'd assume that the IIP is HPGL compatible, and I know it is a 300dpi printer. But the DJ+ has these features as well, and by the time you buy the extra memory for the IIP, the DJ+ will be about $1000 cheaper.... Jeff Autor jsa00564@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu At the University of Illinois
KDM101@PSUVM.BITNET (Kevin Maher) (09/23/89)
I recently read an article in MIS Week about the new IIp printer. It is fully compatible with all other Series II printers. It comes with 512K of RAM standard and is upgradeable to 4.5MB with the same mem. boards that fit the regular series II. Standard font carts will also fit. The only major difference is that it only runs at 4 PPM. This is due to the new Canon laser engine inside. It's much smaller and cheaper, but not as fast. However, if you want that wonderful laser quality at a reasonable price (it should sell for under 1K by mail order) you can't lose!
royf@attctc.Dallas.TX.US (Roy Frederick) (09/24/89)
In article <[2100.1]comp.ibmpc;1@point.UUCP>, wek@point.UUCP (Bill Kuykendall) writes: > >I am interested in finding out whether it is HPGL compatible, and if it is a > >300dpi printer. Any questions or comments? -Dwaine > The HPLJ IIP is not HPGL compatible. Niether is the HP LJ II. HPGL is HP's plotter language. You can get a cartridge from Pacific Data ("Plotter in a Cartridge") that will allow you to send plotter output to the HPLJ II. This cartridge may also work on the HPLJ IIP. Contact Pacific Data to be sure. The HPLJ II's native language is called PCL. The IIP is compatible with PCL. Roy Frederick (royf@attctc.UUCP) Dallas County Data Services (214) 749-6340 504 Records Bldg. Dallas, TX 75202
ilan343@violet.berkeley.edu (09/25/89)
In article <111700148@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> jsa00564@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu writes: > >/* Written 11:20 pm Sep 20, 1989 by DLV101@PSUVM.BITNET in uxa.cso.uiuc.edu:comp.sys.ibm.pc */ >/* ---------- "HP LaserJet IIP" ---------- */ >I just saw an advertisement for a the new HP LaserJet IIP. I've been >dying to buy a laserprinter for home/personal use but couldn't justify the >expense. This printer lists for $1495, has 14 internal fonts, handles four >different paper sizes, runs portrait or landscape, 512K memory (upgradeable >to 4.5 Mbytes). I doubt its in stores yet, but sounds VERY impressive. >I am interested in finding out whether it is HPGL compatible, and if it is a >300dpi printer. Any questions or comments? -Dwaine >/* End of text from uxa.cso.uiuc.edu:comp.sys.ibm.pc */ > >You might consider looking at the HP Deskjet Plus, which retails for $999 >and sells at a street price of around $700. The DJ+ is not a laser >printer, but rather an ink jet. Now wait, hold on... I bought one because >the output is almost indentical to that of a LJII. The printer prints >at a top resolution of 300dpi, just like the laserjet. > Although the new LJIIP is only $1495, you still have to buy 2MB of >memory to get full-page 300dpi graphics. With the deskjet, the computer >and software do all the imaging (of course, the deskjet prints slower than >a LJ, but full-page graphics seem don't seem to take too much longer than >the LJ). Also, the DJ+ has two font cart. slots that can be used for >either cart. fonts, soft font memory modules, or even an Epson FX emulation >cart. The IIP on the other hand, has only one font slot. (The IIP uses >the standard LJ carts, while the DJ+ has its own set). Can the DeskJet + use the same downloadable fonts as the LJII ? I was under the impression it can't. This is a fundamental difference in capability between the two printers. The LJII even with 512K is a very usable printer for Desktop publishing . I've seen it used with TeX and Ventura with very good results, using downloadble fonts. If the street price of the LJIIP falls under $1000.OO, I don't see how the DeskJets can compete.
jdm@hodge.UUCP (jdm) (09/25/89)
In article <111700148@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu>, jsa00564@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu writes: > > You might consider looking at the HP Deskjet Plus, which retails for $999 > and sells at a street price of around $700. The DJ+ is not a laser > printer, but rather an ink jet. Now wait, hold on... I bought one because > the output is almost indentical to that of a LJII. The printer prints > at a top resolution of 300dpi, just like the laserjet. > We decided for the LaserJet and against the DeskJet because: 1) The ink cartridges for the DJ are about $20/each and will print 1000 pages. The toner cartridges for the LJ are about $75/each and will do 5000 pages. A bit of a savings. 2) The DJ suffers from "wettness" if a large, dark area is printed on the paper. As the ink dries the paper wrinkles and looks bad. The LJ ink may smear when very hot (as most laser printer toner does), but this is usually not a problem if you don't grab the paper as it is comming out of the LJ. 3) Graphics are much faster on the LJ than the DJ. I haven't compared it to the DJ Plus yet. -- "I'm an anthropologist, not a computer systems architect, damit!" jdm@hodge.cts.com [uunet zardoz crash]!hodge!jdm James D. Murray, Ethnounixologist TEL: (714) 998-7750 Ext. 129 Hodge Computer Research Corporation FAX: (714) 921-8038 1588 North Batavia Street Orange, California 92667 USA
kgordon@brandx.rutgers.edu (Ken Gordon) (09/25/89)
I recently called the local Hewlett-Packard Authorized Dealer for some information about the II P. According to the dealer, it does NOT use the same memory card that the series II uses. Any potential buyers shouldd look into this carefully. I just put 2 Meg into my series II for $319 plus tax. The local HP dealer wants $396 for one Meg of memory for the II P. Look before you leap. ---Ken Gordon (kgordon@brandx.rutgers.edu)
kgordon@brandx.rutgers.edu (Ken Gordon) (09/25/89)
Every body seems to throw up the List Price of $1495 for the II P and then compares it to the deskjet. The local HP Authorized Dealer aroundd here is selling the thing for $969. When you talk about that kind of price for a laser printer, it seems to make the deskjet a moot point. ---Ken Gordon (kgordon@brandx.rutgers.edu)
boba@hpwarau.hp.com (Bob Alexander) (09/25/89)
Now that some people have said that the LaserJet IIP supports HPGL, and some have said it doesn't, let me clear things up. HP-GL is HP's Graphics Language which is used by our plotters. No basic LaserJet supports it (there are products available that convert HP-GL to the LaserJet's language.) HP PCL is our Printer Control Language. All LaserJets, DeskJets, ThinkJets, QuietJets, PaintJets and Boeing 747 Jets support it. Bob Alexander | Engineering: How To Be A Nerd For Fun And Profit boba@hpwala.hp.com | -------------------+--------------------------------------------------- Organizations don't have opinions: individuals do. The opinions expressed above do not necessarily reflect those of the stockholders, employees, or directors of Hewlett-Packard.
schuster@dasys1.UUCP (Michael Schuster) (10/01/89)
In article <89266.113409KDM101@PSUVM.BITNET> KDM101@PSUVM.BITNET (Kevin Maher) writes: >I recently read an article in MIS Week about the new IIp printer. It is >fully compatible with all other Series II printers. It comes with 512K of I've read a rumor on a local BBS that Pacific Data's Postscript emulation cartridge will _not_ work on the IIp! Is this true? So much for LaserJet compatilibity! -- l\ /l' _ Mike Schuster ...!dasys1!schuster l \/ lll/(_ Big Electric Cat schuster@dasys1.UUCP CIS:70346,1745 l lll\(_ New York, NY USA BIX,DELPHI,GEnie:MSCHUSTER
osborne@ernie.Berkeley.EDU (Alex Osborne) (10/02/89)
>>I recently read an article in MIS Week about the new IIp printer. It is >>fully compatible with all other Series II printers. It comes with 512K The HP LJ IIP is not quite Series II compatible. It does come with 512K, but you'll need 1024 to print a full page at 300dpi. > >I've read a rumor on a local BBS that Pacific Data's Postscript >emulation cartridge will _not_ work on the IIp! Is this true? >So much for LaserJet compatilibity! Exactly. PDP says the IIP Postscript cartridge will not be ready until early 1990! When it comes out this will be _the_ printer!
prc@erbe.se (Robert Claeson) (10/04/89)
In article <31639@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU> osborne@ernie.Berkeley.EDU (Alex Osborne) writes: > Exactly. PDP says the IIP Postscript cartridge will not be ready >until early 1990! When it comes out this will be _the_ printer! Remember, though, that the cartridge doesn't use "real" Adobe Postscript but an emulation of (most of) it. And as such, I believe that it won't support Adobe fonts and perhaps a number of other things. Just things to look for. -- Robert Claeson E-mail: rclaeson@erbe.se ERBE DATA AB
leung@uicsrd.csrd.uiuc.edu (Bruce Leung) (01/12/90)
For those of you who have a IIP, how do you like it? Do you find
yourself wishing it were faster? I'll be using this at home, but
when I do print it'll probably be in batches of about 50 pages or
so. Any pros and cons would be appreciated.
Oh yeah, anybody want to buy an IBM Proprinter X24? It's about 2
years old but hardly used (still on original ribbon). Say, $300?
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Mind if I smoke? No. Mind if I burp pastrami belches in your face?ries@venice.SEDD.TRW.COM (Marc Ries) (01/12/90)
In article <1990Jan11.205012.24999@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> leung@uicsrd.csrd.uiuc.edu (Bruce Leung) writes: >For those of you who have a IIP, how do you like it? Do you find >yourself wishing it were faster? I'll be using this at home, but >when I do print it'll probably be in batches of about 50 pages or >so. Any pros and cons would be appreciated. I have had for for a couple of weeks. The print quality is excellent! The HP LJII emulation is, well, identical. In "text" mode, it prints very quick. In graphics mode, it's a ssslooopoke... The "laserTorq"-style laser spoolers are supposed to really help, but then they may not be compatible with your other applications (like Windows). On other hand, Windows is slow to begin with, anyway. Also, the 512K memory is barely adaquate (unless 150x150DPI is adaquate), but "discount" memory for the IIP is running about $250+/Mb. I picked up one locally for $950 w/toner. -- Marc Ries ries@venice.sedd.trw.com (ARPA) somewhere!trwind!venice!ries (UUCP) #include <std.disclaimer>
akcs.amparsonjr@vpnet.UUCP (Anthony M. Parson, Jr.) (01/19/90)
Lines: 21 I've had mine also for a few weeks. Electek in Chicago has it still for $995, incl toner, dust cover. In moving up from an original Proprinter, I'm greatly impressed with things I can do with Wordperfect. It is slow when doing graphics, and even some text (a "print screen" is not as instantaneous as was on the Proprinter). I suggest you download PC Mag's improved Laserlst.com (to fit two full pages sideways in lineprinter font) and keep the Proprinter (you've got to use up all that tractor-feed paper you stockpiled when there was a sale, don't you?) and swap LPT1 and LPT2 with a port swap program, to switch back and forth with your printers... ---------------------------------------- | STANDARD DISCLAIMER: | | "... on the other hand, some very | UUCP: akcs.amparsonjr@vpnet.uucp | knowledgable people may justifiably | | disagree with my comments, in whole | C-serve: 73336,1667 | or in part ... " | ----------------------------------------
wales@valeria.cs.ucla.edu (Rich Wales) (01/20/90)
My new (month-old) HP LaserJet IIP died earlier this month with an "Error 50" on the display panel. When I took it in for repair, the repair person said that *lots* of IIP's have been dying in the same way. Apparently one production run of triacs (AC switching components) which HP put in IIP power supplies was marginal. When the triac blows, it can take the printer's fuser assembly with it. They had another IIP in their repair shop already, with the same problem. It took about a week for them to repair the printer; most of this time was spent waiting for the necessary parts to arrive. In my case, the fuser assembly had to be replaced, in addition to the defective triac. The repair person said that since the new triac was not from the defec- tive lot :-}, I should not expect the same problem to occur again. Except for this one problem, I've been very pleased with my IIP and would recommend it without hesitation. -- Rich Wales <wales@CS.UCLA.EDU> // UCLA Computer Science Department 3531 Boelter Hall // Los Angeles, CA 90024-1596 // +1 (213) 825-5683 "I never lie when I've got sand in my shoes, Commodore."
wayne.ho.@f526.n250.z1.fidonet.org (wayne ho ) (01/22/90)
Hello,
I was reading your message about your HP Laserjet IIP. I have heard some nice things about this printer. My dot matrix printer recently died on me, and I am interested in purchacing a new printer.
I was curious as to whether or not the IIP had room for those font cartridges that the regular HP Laserjet printers had (ie. it would be able to use that postscript emulation cartridge for example).
How would you rate this printer against something on the lines of an HP InkJet printer or Painjet printer?
Thanks in advance,
Wayne
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