simon@hpstek.dec.com (Curiosier and curiosier...) (02/17/90)
COMM -- KERMIT |- ZMODEM it looked COMM -- KERMIT |- ZMODEM -- KERMIT |- ZMODEM -- KERMIT |- ZMODEM -- etc., as far as I could reach. To clean the mess first I deleted files in only one of the KERMIT's (the first one) and deleted this one subdirectory. The tree started to look like this: COMM -- ZMODEM -- ZMODEM -- ZMODEM -- etc., endless. Even though I deleted only one KERMIT, all of them dissapeared! OK, I decided to get to the end of the line to delete the ZMODEM files and then remove the directories, all of them, but got only so far. Now I got a real problem. After a certain number of cd ZMODEM it returned "invalid directory" error message. I tried to use Norton's Change Directory (NCD). It showed ZMODEM -> ZMODEM -> ZMODEM -> to the end of the screen. All attempts to get the cursor on the picture to the end of this line ended in a system crash. I tried NU - Norton Utilities. At the option of Choose Item the picture of the directory tree showed only one ZMODEM, as it supposed to be. Returning back to NCD or DOS directory, they are still there. How can I get rid of all these empty directories? I do not know how many of them there are, know only that each takes a 2K of the disk space. What tool should I use? Any ideas? Any help will be appreciated. For the reasons below I know that the problem is in the content (or structure) of KERMIT or ZMODEM directories. This is what I did so far in an attempt to pinpoint the cause: 1. Checked if it is NOT a restore problem. I did restore from the same tape on a newly formatted disk again, with the same result. 2. Checked if it is NOT a tape problem. I erased everything from the tape and a new drive and ran the whole backup routine from scratch. The same result. 3. Quit using tape and used FASTBACK on floppies. Restored to the new drive without a glitch. Evidently the problem lies with the tape (drive) handling of the data. 4. To make sure of the 3 above, I ran a tape backup of the newly restored disk (by FASTBACK) and restored everything into another partition of the same physical drive. The !@#$%^&*() subdirectories are again there! Before restoring I set an option NOT to restore subdirectories of ZMODEM. It didn't help. I am afraid of using the tape drive for the back-ups until I find out what was happening. Regards, --- Leo Simon simon@hpstek.enet.dec.com --or-- ...!decwrl!hpstek.enet.dec.com!simon --or-- simon%hpstek.enet.dec@decwrl.dec.com Who is not liberal when young, doesn't have a heart. Who is not conservative when old, doesn't have a brain.
simon@hpstek.dec.com (Curiosier and curiosier...) (02/18/90)
Yesterday I posted the original article but today it turned out the the
front of it got axed off by dumb software. Here is the re-post.
I was installing a new hard disk. First made a backup of the old
on a tape (Irwin). Then, doing a restore, got a message: "Cannot
create directory ZMODEM, no files will be restored". After the rest of
the data was restored, the directory tree looked very strange.
Everything was right, except one subdirectory. Instead of
COMM -- KERMIT
|- ZMODEM
it looked
COMM -- KERMIT
|- ZMODEM -- KERMIT
|- ZMODEM -- KERMIT
|- ZMODEM -- etc., as far as I could reach.
To clean the mess first I deleted files in only one of the KERMIT's
(the first one) and deleted this one subdirectory. The tree started to
look like this:
COMM -- ZMODEM -- ZMODEM -- ZMODEM -- etc., endless.
Even though I deleted only one KERMIT, all of them dissapeared! OK, I
decided to get to the end of the line to delete the ZMODEM files and
then remove the directories, all of them, but got only so far. Now
I got a real problem. After a certain number of
cd ZMODEM
it returned "invalid directory" error message. I tried to use Norton's
Change Directory (NCD). It showed
ZMODEM -> ZMODEM -> ZMODEM ->
to the end of the screen. All attempts to get the cursor on the
picture to the end of this line ended in a system crash.
I tried NU - Norton Utilities. At the option of Choose Item the
picture of the directory tree showed only one ZMODEM, as it supposed to
be. Returning back to NCD or DOS directory, they are still there.
How can I get rid of all these empty directories? I do not know how
many of them there are, know only that each takes a 2K of the disk
space. What tool should I use? Any ideas? Any help will be
appreciated.
For the reasons below I know that the problem is in the content (or
structure) of KERMIT or ZMODEM directories. This is what I did so
far in an attempt to pinpoint the cause:
1. Checked if it is NOT a restore problem. I did restore from the
same tape on a newly formatted disk again, with the same result.
2. Checked if it is NOT a tape problem. I erased everything from the
tape and a new drive and ran the whole backup routine from scratch.
The same result.
3. Quit using tape and used FASTBACK on floppies. Restored to the new
drive without a glitch. Evidently the problem lies with the tape
(drive) handling of the data.
4. To make sure of the 3 above, I ran a tape backup of the newly
restored disk (by FASTBACK) and restored everything into another
partition of the same physical drive. The !@#$%^&*() subdirectories
are again there!
Before restoring I set an option NOT to restore subdirectories of
ZMODEM. It didn't help.
I am afraid of using the tape drive for the back-ups until I find out
what was happening.
Regards,
Leo
---
Leo Simon simon@hpstek.enet.dec.com
--or-- ...!decwrl!hpstek.enet.dec.com!simon
--or-- simon%hpstek.enet.dec@decwrl.dec.com
Who is not liberal when young, doesn't have a heart.
Who is not conservative when old, doesn't have a brain.poffen@sj.ate.slb.com (Russ Poffenberger) (02/26/90)
In article <8450@shlump.nac.dec.com> simon@hpstek.dec.com (Curiosier and curiosier...) writes: > >Yesterday I posted the original article but today it turned out the the >front of it got axed off by dumb software. Here is the re-post. > > I was installing a new hard disk. First made a backup of the old > on a tape (Irwin). Then, doing a restore, got a message: "Cannot > create directory ZMODEM, no files will be restored". After the rest of > the data was restored, the directory tree looked very strange. > Everything was right, except one subdirectory. Instead of > [stuff deleted] > > I am afraid of using the tape drive for the back-ups until I find out > what was happening. > > Regards, > Leo > Did you do an image or file by file backup? Most of these types of tape drives state very clearly (ie RTFM) that an image backup CAN ONLY be restored to the VERY SAME disk that the image was taken from. If you want to backup and restore to a different disk, usr file by file mode. Russ Poffenberger DOMAIN: poffen@sj.ate.slb.com Schlumberger Technologies UUCP: {uunet,decwrl,amdahl}!sjsca4!poffen 1601 Technology Drive CIS: 72401,276 San Jose, Ca. 95110 (408)437-5254