tdoi@tsunami.Berkeley.EDU (Takeshi Doi) (02/24/90)
In article <6931@tekgvs.LABS.TEK.COM> toma@tekgvs.LABS.TEK.COM (Tom Almy) writes: > >Unlike the AT 101 key keyboard, the control and escape keys are in the correct > place and the function keys go down the left side (and most theologians agree > that is where God intended they be -- "Thou Shalt Not Place Thy Function Keys > Across The Top Of Thy Keyboards"). > The layout is what I like about the Northgate 102s (not the Omnikey plus'). The problem I have with Northgate is the feel and the noise. The clicking tactile feedback I can live with but that CLICK-CLICK-CLICK noise is just plain annoying. Does anyone know if the ZEOS enhanced keyboards with the function keys on the left have the same 'feel' and noise as the Northgate/IBM?
trgauchat@lion.waterloo.edu (Terry Gauchat) (02/25/90)
Why doesn't someone put the function keys in BOTH places?!!! ...Terry.
cms2839@ultb.isc.rit.edu (C.M. Stuntz) (02/26/90)
In article <1990Feb24.001031.14508@agate.berkeley.edu> tdoi@tsunami.Berkeley.EDU (Takeshi Doi) writes: >Does anyone know if the ZEOS enhanced keyboards with the function keys >on the left have the same 'feel' and noise as the Northgate/IBM? i have a Zeos keyboard ( i'm typing on it right now ) , and i like it better than any other keyboard i've tried . i'm not certain whether or not you would , though . the Zeos keyboards do have tacticle and audible feedback . i've never tried a Northgate keyboard , but i can compare them to IBM's keyboards . the feel of the keyboard is somewhat softer -- it takes a little less force to depress the key , and the tactile feedback ( the " click " that you feel when the keyswitch engages ) is softer . the audible feedback is less sharp than the IBM , too . it's a mechanical sound , but not quite the biting pop that IBM's emit . really , though , it's hard to learn anything about a keyboard by reading about it . your best bet is to try them out . if you can't find someone else that has one , then i think that Zeos has a 30 - day , no - questions - asked , return policy , so you can try it without risk . -a.stranger -- @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ @ "Imagination keeps the shadows away - Xymox @ @~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~@ @ a.stranger - CMS2839%RITVAX.BITNET@cunyvm.cuny.edu @
braner@batcomputer.tn.cornell.edu (Moshe Braner) (02/26/90)
tdoi@tsunami.Berkeley.EDU writes: >The problem I have with Northgate is the feel and the noise. The >clicking tactile feedback I can live with but that CLICK-CLICK-CLICK >noise is just plain annoying. > >Does anyone know if the ZEOS enhanced keyboards with the function keys >on the left have the same 'feel' and noise as the Northgate/IBM? - that's funny, the one Omnikey 102 I tried out was MUCH quieter than the IBM keyboards. Also, several earlier postings indicated the same. So, is there more than one kind of key mechanism used in Omnikey keyboards? I need to know since I am planning to order one for myself... - Moshe
bchs1b@jane.uh.edu (02/26/90)
In article <2305@ultb.isc.rit.edu>, cms2839@ultb.isc.rit.edu (C.M. Stuntz) writes: > In article <1990Feb24.001031.14508@agate.berkeley.edu> tdoi@tsunami.Berkeley.EDU (Takeshi Doi) writes: >>Does anyone know if the ZEOS enhanced keyboards with the function keys >>on the left have the same 'feel' and noise as the Northgate/IBM? > > i have a Zeos keyboard ( i'm typing on > it right now ) , and i like it better than any other keyboard i've tried > .. i'm not certain whether or not you would , though . the Zeos keyboards > do have tacticle and audible feedback . i've never tried a Northgate > keyboard , but i can compare them to IBM's keyboards . the feel of the > keyboard is somewhat softer -- it takes a little less force to depress > the key , and the tactile feedback ( the " click " that you feel when > the keyswitch engages ) is softer . the audible feedback is less sharp > than the IBM , too . it's a mechanical sound , but not quite the biting > pop that IBM's emit . I have been fortunate enought to have a real IBM, a Northgate Omnikey 102 and a Zeos keyboard all available on different systems to use. My choice of keyboards is the Northgate. The feel of the IBM is good, but a little firm and loud for my taste. Anyway I really want the function keys on the side because I am mostly a Wordperfect user and that works the best for me, my fingers are trained to find those keys and I don;t have to move them to hit them like I do when the function keys are on top. `Both the Northgate and the Zeos have function keys on the side. They are both very nice keyboards with a lite tactile touch so you know that you hit the keys. Neither are mushy keyboards which I hate. The Northgate has a slightly louder keyclick, but not obnoxious. Both are fine. The major reason I like the Northgate over the Zeos is the placement of the Ctrl, Shift, Alt keys together at the left side. This is the exact same placement of the original IBM AT (or XT) keyboard to which my fingers are permanently entrained. I have a clone at home with the same setup. Therefore I find the Zeos difficult because the Alt and Caps lock keys are changed. That is my only complaint. If it will be your only keyboard you will get used to it quickly. If you work on different keyboards, get the one where the setup matches between the systems. The Zeos is like the IBM enhanced 102, the Northgate is like the old 84 key keyboard but with additional keys. Both are really good and better than any other keyboard I have tried on about 50 different clones. mike benedik University of Houston Benedik@UH.EDU
person@plains.UUCP (Brett G. Person) (03/08/90)
Does Jerry Pornelle still read this group? Oh, that's right. They yanked his access a long time ago :-) A good keyboard is what you learn to type on. I learned on a TRS-80 mod. 1, so I have no taste. :-) Is there any computer these replacement keyboards wont ho into? -- Brett G. Person North Dakota State University uunet!plains!person | person@plains.bitnet | person@plains.nodak.edu