bbesler@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Brent Besler) (02/24/90)
Is there a C compiler that allows a 386 PC running under DOS to use either
extended memory or expanded memory easily. I wan't to have some fairly
large data arrays?
Brent H. Beslertoma@tekgvs.LABS.TEK.COM (Tom Almy) (03/08/90)
In article <169@vela.acs.oakland.edu> bbesler@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Brent Besler) writes: >Is there a C compiler that allows a 386 PC running under DOS to use either >extended memory or expanded memory easily. I wan't to have some fairly >large data arrays? > Brent H. Besler If you have the bucks (>$1k) you can get: 1). Phar Lap DOS EXTENDER, which allows running programs in 386 protected mode while still getting DOS function access (as well as being able to capture interrupts). Virtual memory management is available at extra cost. 2). Either Microway's NDP C-386 compiler (tends to be UNIXish) or the Metaware High C 386 compiler (somewhat strange, but generates the best code). If you don't have the bucks, your best bet is to find the bucks as dealing with expanded memory is a real pain. You'll also loose about half the efficiency of the chip running it as a brain-dead 8086. Tom Almy toma@tekgvs.labs.tek.com Standard Disclaimers Apply
arw@stiatl.UUCP (Allan Watkins) (03/10/90)
[ In article <169@vela.acs.oakland.edu> bbesler@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Brent Besler) writes:
[ >Is there a C compiler that allows a 386 PC running under DOS to use either
[ >extended memory or expanded memory easily. I wan't to have some fairly
[ >large data arrays?
[ > Brent H. Besler
[ If you have the bucks (>$1k) you can get:
[ 1). Phar Lap DOS EXTENDER, which allows running programs in 386 protected mode
[ 2). Either Microway's NDP C-386 compiler (tends to be UNIXish) or the Metaware
[ High C 386 compiler (somewhat strange, but generates the best code).
[
[ Tom Almy toma@tekgvs.labs.tek.com
I too have been (trying to) keeping track of the companies that provide
use of expanded/extended memory on a 386; I received a few quotes about the
following companies:
1) Microway - (508)746-7341 - 386 native mode compiler under DOS
2) NDP - applications require FP co-processor
3) Metaware High C 386 Compiler - what kind of debuggers are supported?
4) Watcom 386 C compiler - what kind of debuggers are supported?
5) GNU - is there a C run time library available?
6) Zortech C++ - debuggers?
(this newsgroup has hear a LOT about this company)
That's all the information I have been able to find out. What I would like
too know is where to get more information about these companies? I've
looked in several computer mags, ask a few computer store bums, looked in
my glove compartment and have come up with ZIP! NADA! SQUAT! Do these
companies ever advertise or do they just whisper it to someone on the
network and hope it gets spread around? Even though I'm a lowly plebe
programmer, I'd guess a lot of software companies would afford descent bucks
for a 386 compiler in order not to worry about ex[te,pa]nded memory. Having
a development environment where you didn't have to rig your data/program
size would seem to produce more reliable code.
If anyone has any idea where I can find out about the forementioned
companies (addresses, magazines , phone numbers, etc.),
I would greatly appreciate it. The basic information sought includes:
- Use of expanded? use of extended? is it seemless?
- How extensive is their libraries compared to MSC 5.1?
- Which (if any) debuggers can they support?
- What memory models are provided? what about lint?
- What are the features of the current release?
- Are there still major bugs in the compiler (known)?
- How reliable/stable is the company and their tech support?
- How good is there documentation?
- Does the package come with good/acceptable utilities?
(no more editors - there are enough good ones to choose from)
- How much does the package ~cost? (please don't scare me / :-()
If any company has developed any application(s) from any of these
compilers from ground up, I think their input would be quite noteworthy.
If there is sufficient interest/responses, I could produce Ye-Olde-Sumry
in a couple weeks.
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Allan Watkins gatech!stiatl!arw
Sales Technologies, Inc
3399 Peachtree Rd, NE
Atlanta, GA (404) 841-4000 Go Gators!!!louk@tslwat.UUCP (Lou Kates) (03/10/90)
In addition to the compilers you mention note that Microsoft C can generate 286 code and when used with the Eclipse DOS extender can take advantage of protected mode and extended memory on a 286 or 386. If you already have a Microsoft C compiler this would be cheaper than buying a DOS extender plus a C compiler. Lou Kates, Teleride Sage Limited, 519-725-0277 ...!watmath!looking!tslwat!louk
cs4g6ag@maccs.dcss.mcmaster.ca (Stephen M. Dunn) (03/12/90)
In article <9290@stiatl.UUCP> arw@stiatl.UUCP (Allan Watkins) writes:
$ 1) Microway - (508)746-7341 - 386 native mode compiler under DOS
They advertise in every BYTE issue. February 1990 (p. 29 and 166),
March 1990 (p. 211 and 261).
$ 2) NDP - applications require FP co-processor
MicroWay sells their products; see the latter ad in each of the two
issues above.
$ 3) Metaware High C 386 Compiler - what kind of debuggers are supported?
If you're on the Pacific Coast, you can find their ad on page PC-19
in the February 1990 BYTE and PC-5 in the March 1990 edition.
$ 4) Watcom 386 C compiler - what kind of debuggers are supported?
I believe Watcom used to advertise in the Journal of the ACM ... you
might want to leaf through a recent copy of that magazine.
$ 6) Zortech C++ - debuggers?
Page 45, February 1990 BYTE and pages 37 and 89 in March 1990 BYTE.
$ That's all the information I have been able to find out. What I would like
$ too know is where to get more information about these companies? I've
$ looked in several computer mags, ask a few computer store bums, looked in
$ my glove compartment and have come up with ZIP! NADA! SQUAT! Do these
Hmm ... either you omitted BYTE (which is a big mistake when looking for
PC software since almost everyone advertises there), or you forgot to look
at the index to advertisers. That's what it's there for, folks, so that
you can find advertisers quickly.
--
Stephen M. Dunn cs4g6ag@maccs.dcss.mcmaster.ca
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"So sorry, I never meant to break your heart ... but you broke mine."uchida@flab.flab.fujitsu.co.jp (uchida) (03/19/90)
In article <9290@stiatl.UUCP>, arw@stiatl.UUCP writes, > 5) GNU - is there a C run time library available? Yes, we DID IT. We two, have build up them just a few weeks ago. Now, following GNU-C compiler and related programs are working under Phar Lap DOS-Extender (ver 1.4) & Fujitsu FM-TOWNS. (No test has been done on IBM-PC) CPP.exp, CC1.exp, AS.exp, LD.exp, AR.exp, NM.exp All of them were compiled by our CC1 itself, which mean we already have enough run time library. A little modification on the compiler was required so that we could use them without i80387. We invented a small program to create .exp format executable file. Sorry, we still do not have debugger other than Phar Lap's. (Now, I'm planning to write small debugger -- in future?) We'll send them to FSF (Free Software Fundation), probably in several weeks, so that you can get and use them. ( To do so, some works - including translation from Japanese to English - still required.) Or, If you can read Japanese (including Kanji) on your PC, I could send above programs personally. Let me know - If you need them soon. From kay@flab.fujitsu.co.jp and uchida@flab.fujitsu.co.jp ------------ -- Yoshiaki Uchida Hi, Here I am. uchida@flab.fujitsu.co.jp CIS 72011,3173