beckman@iuvax.cs.indiana.edu (05/31/88)
There is a new prduct from the makers of DESQVIEW that is supposed to solve all of the MS-DOS -- IBM memory kludges and problem. I have read the advertisement pamplet, and the product, called ALL CHARGECARD, connects to your 80286 CPU and is a complete memory manager, and even lets you run '386 stuff. It claims that no matter what memory or combination of memory you have, LIM, EMS, EEMS, extended, expanded, whatever, it will let you use every last byte of it, and even extend DOS to > than 900K. Does anyone have any experience or comments about this product? It is about $200, and will then allow DESQVIEW to run all types of programs, with all memory configurations. You then buy only the cheapest memory in the future (extended) and it will let it be used as EMS or EEMS or EEEMS for your applications. Sounds neat. I have an AT with 512K/512K and am sick of the backwards ways of trying to use the 512K extended memory. Is it a good investment? -Pete
wnp@killer.UUCP (Wolf Paul) (06/01/88)
In article <36300022@iuvax> beckman@iuvax.cs.indiana.edu writes: >There is a new prduct from the makers of DESQVIEW that is supposed to >solve all of the MS-DOS -- IBM memory kludges and problem. I have >read the advertisement pamplet, and the product, called ALL >CHARGECARD, connects to your 80286 CPU and is a complete memory >manager, and even lets you run '386 stuff. It claims that no matter This would imply that a '386 is nothing more than a faster '286 with a memory manager added on. Is that really true? Hard to believe! Is there someone out there who can authoritatively comment on this particular question? If this were true I could go out and buy the $99 386 UNIX from Bell Tech and run it on my AT clone with an "ALL CHARGECARD" -- that would be too good to be true! -- Wolf N. Paul * 3387 Sam Rayburn Run * Carrollton TX 75007 * (214) 306-9101 UUCP: ihnp4!killer!dcs!wnp ESL: 62832882 DOMAIN: wnp@dcs.UUCP TLX: 910-280-0585 EES PLANO UD
gustwick@juniper.UUCP (Bob Gustwick) (06/01/88)
In article <36300022@iuvax> beckman@iuvax.cs.indiana.edu writes: >...called ALL >CHARGECARD, connects to your 80286 CPU and is a complete memory >manager, and even lets you run '386 stuff. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ nope, that's not the impression i got, but i can't find my copy of the ad either... my understanding was that the CHARGECARD was ONLY a memory manager... it should help DESQview performance/hardware problems greatly, but thats about it... there is no 386 on the card, so 386 instructions won't work. the memory management is not 386 memory manangement, but follows the LIM EMS 4.0 (AQA EEMS) specs. ...bob
gas@ecsvax.UUCP (Guerry A. Semones) (06/02/88)
In article <4249@killer.UUCP>, wnp@killer.UUCP (Wolf Paul) writes: > In article <36300022@iuvax> beckman@iuvax.cs.indiana.edu writes: > >There is a new prduct from the makers of DESQVIEW that is supposed to > >solve all of the MS-DOS -- IBM memory kludges and problem. I have > >read the advertisement pamplet, and the product, called ALL > >CHARGECARD, connects to your 80286 CPU and is a complete memory > >manager, and even lets you run '386 stuff. It claims that no matter > > This would imply that a '386 is nothing more than a faster '286 with > a memory manager added on. Is that really true? Hard to believe! > > Is there someone out there who can authoritatively comment on this > particular question? > > If this were true I could go out and buy the $99 386 UNIX from Bell Tech > and run it on my AT clone with an "ALL CHARGECARD" -- that would be > too good to be true! The ALL ChargeCard does not claim to allow a '286 to run '386 based software. In the 5-7 pages of pamphlets and stuff I have on the product, it never mentions the '386 at all. Think of the ALL card as a memory manager for the '286 that does the following: 1. Allows you to expand the available memory for DOS from 640k to a max of 960k. According to the specs, this 960k area is fully accessible to all DOS programs as if they were running in 640k. This in and of itself might justify buying the card. 2. The ALL card also "unifies" all On-system memory. Desqview LOVES to have plenty of Expanded memory available, but some of us only have EXTENDED memory. The ALL card will take all available memory (base, extended, and expanded) and make it into EMS and EEMS memory specs. That would allow some of us to get more out of out our extended memory than ramdisks and disk caches. Note that the ALL ChargeCard is NOT made by DESQVIEW, but by the following: ALL Computers Inc. 21 St Clair Ave. E., STE. 203 Toronto, Ontario, Canada M4T 1L9 (416) 960-0111 The price of the card runs from $300 to $500 depending on your system's type of '286 processor. Those '286 chips not of the pin grid array type need a special cable adapter. The card does not require a slot but is a credit card sized wafer that is mounted between the mother board and the '286 chip itself. There are a couple of software drivers that must be installed in your config.sys to get access to the card's powers. There appears to be an 8088 based version of the card but I'm not familiar with it. Before anyone flames me for incorrect information, please note that I DO NOT OWN this product, have NEVER seen it in person, but have been looking over the specs and have info about it only by pamphlets sent to me by ALL Computers. Desqview IS recommending this product and for all I know, have stock in the company named above. Anyone else? -- Guerry A. Semones BITNET: drogo@tucc.BITNET Information Services USENET: gas@ecsvax.UUCP Duke University My views are despairingly mine only. Talent Identification Program "We ain't gifted, we just work here."
gas@ecsvax.UUCP (Guerry A. Semones) (06/02/88)
I just talked to a friend whose company has informally tested the ALL ChargeCard. With EMS and Ansi drivers installed, etc., it leaves about 850k of RAM for DOS (instead of 640k). He also indicated that in THEORY you can run '386 software (ie Windows 386) on your '286 with this card. He said PC-MOS definately works, and I assume he meant PC-MOS 386. So maybe I was wrong, but I'll only believe it when I see it. This may be made MOOT if Intel would finally begin providing the fabled P9 chip that is said to be a 16-bit version of the 80386 chip. Its been said that with a wafer-board to make it pin compatible with the '286 chip's pins, that it can be a drop-in replacement for the 80286. How about that? Your old AT with a 16-bit '386, I could live with that. -- Guerry A. Semones BITNET: drogo@tucc.BITNET Information Services USENET: gas@ecsvax.UUCP Duke University My views are despairingly mine only. Talent Identification Program "We ain't gifted, we just work here."
troeger@ttidca.TTI.COM (Jeff Troeger) (01/07/89)
Does anyone know where in the United States I can find a company that sells
the All Chargecard from All Computers? My last resort is to order it directly
from All Computers, but I would rather exhaust any distributor leads first
(if there are any..)
Thanks in Advance..
--
Jeff Troeger @ Citicorp(+)TTI
3100 Ocean Park Blvd. (213) 450-9111, ext. 3153
Santa Monica, CA 90405 {philabs,randvax,csun}!ttidca!ttidcb!troeger
or troeger@ttidcadjb@wjh12.harvard.edu (David J. Birnbaum) (08/19/89)
Has anyone had any experience with the All ChargeCard by All Computer? This is a card that is plugged in between a 286 and its motherboard socket that is supposed to provide memory management capabilities similar to a 386. It is also supposed to provide a superior environment for multi- tasking with Desqview. Is anyone using it? How well does it work? Any incompatibilities? Etc. Please reply by MAIL, not by posting. I will post a summary in about two weeks. --David ================================================================ djb@wjh12.harvard.edu [Internet] djb@wjh12.uucp [UUCP] djb@harvunxw.bitnet [Bitnet] ================================================================
spengler@lance.tis.llnl.gov (Tom Spengler) (06/14/90)
Who has experience with the ALL CHARGECARD from ALL Computers of Toronto? From an ad which caught my eye, this is apparently an EMS board (list price: $299) which has additional memory management capabilities. The ad says, "You won't have to disable system board memory to multitask Windows or DESQview under EMS 4.0!" There is a diagram which shows what conventional memory things it can move around, and shows WordPerfect, 1-2-3, etc, running in high EMS. Things the ad doesn't say, but I would like to know are: -- how well does it work with DESQview? Windows 3.0? -- how much RAM is it populated with in the base version? -- how much RAM can it be populated with? -- what type RAM? (DIPs, SIPs, SIMMs) -- can one use it independently of DV or Win 3.0? Responses by email would be nice -- I'll post a summary if there's interest. Thanks, Tom Spengler -- spengler@tis.llnl.gov ...!uunet!tis.llnl.gov!spengler