ts@uwasa.fi (Timo Salmi LASK) (06/27/90)
In article <4721@darkstar.ucsc.edu> hermit@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (William R. Ward) writes: >I recently acquired a copy of Procomm v2.4.2 from a friend. >I have a few questions (I am rather new to the MS-DOS scene)... > 1. What newer versions of Procomm are there, and should I get > them? I'm interested in PD and free/share ware programs other > than Procomm as well, if you can suggest better alternatives. In shareware there is 2.4.3. There is also a fully commercial Procomm Plus 1.1B. > 2. How do I use the .CMD files? I assume they are for automatic > login scripts. Is this correct, and could someone mail me > documentation on the format of these scripts? I suggest that you get /pc/pd2/prcm243d.zip and /pc/ts/pcpfon29.arc by anonymous ftp from chyde.uwasa.fi, Vaasa, Finland. ................................................................... Prof. Timo Salmi (Moderating at anon. ftp site 128.214.12.3) School of Business Studies, University of Vaasa, SF-65101, Finland Internet: ts@chyde.uwasa.fi Funet: gado::salmi Bitnet: salmi@finfun
hermit@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (William R. Ward) (06/28/90)
Weell, I found the file everyone told me about that explains the
commands for Procomm .CMD files... Silly me, I didn't even look through
the files that came with Procomm before posting! Well, I learned my
lesson.
But I'm still looking for alternatives to Procomm, and I'd like to
know... Is Procomm Plus worth it? (It's commercial software, not
shareware, from what I understand.) If not, can you recommend something
with a *good* emulation of some terminal?
Also, I'd like to know what terminal emulation mode Procomm users use.
I've been using VT100, because it's pretty standardized. I've noticed
that I have to set automargins off, because of the behavior of some UNIX
programs. Do the other modes treat this better? Does Procomm Plus
handle the last column wrap correctly? (For those of you who don't
understand what I'm referring to, on most real terminals, when a
character is printed to the last column of a line, the cursor does *not*
move to the next line until the next character is received. UNIX
programs like vi and pagers often compensate for this by adding a CRLF
after that character, which on Procomm, since it wraps immediately,
causes a blank line.)
Ack, what an awful mess that paragraph was.
Again, please send all replies via mail, as I don't have the time or
patience to deal with the volume of this group.
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hermit@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (William R. Ward) <4759@darkstar.ucsc.edu> : | | Also, I'd like to know what terminal emulation mode Procomm users use. | I've been using VT100, because it's pretty standardized. I've noticed | that I have to set automargins off, because of the behavior of some UNIX | programs. Do the other modes treat this better? Does Procomm Plus | handle the last column wrap correctly? (For those of you who don't | understand what I'm referring to, on most real terminals, when a | character is printed to the last column of a line, the cursor does *not* | move to the next line until the next character is received. UNIX | programs like vi and pagers often compensate for this by adding a CRLF | after that character, which on Procomm, since it wraps immediately, | causes a blank line.) From something I read/heard, part of the problem is that real vt-100's don't actually do automargins (at least some real vt-100's, early units perhaps). Some Unix termcaps include tricky sequences to get around this, some just go with it; some hardware and software emulators add this ability, some don't; so that things don't always match up correctly. I have it working right *for me* by using a personalized termcap entry for Procomm2.4.2 along with Line Wrap On. If I felt like experimenting I'd try (again) to move up to v2.4.3 and sort out that line wrap business again --- having that break has kept me from upgrading from v2.4.2 to 2.4.3 or "Plus".
lord@se-sd.SanDiego.NCR.COM (Dave Lord) (06/29/90)
In response to the question about whether Procomm Plus fixes the line wrap problem with VT100 emulation: Yes, but you have to use the VT102 emulation. I use this all the time and have not had a problem. I still do 'setenv TERM vt100'. Other than this I can't think of any real advantage of Procomm Plus over Procomm. One disadvantage is that you have to make some minor modification to to your command files (change '!' to '^M') and change the names from *.com to *.asp. I have tried several other emulators but haven't found one I like as well.
mlord@bwdls58.bnr.ca (Mark Lord) (07/03/90)
In article <4759@darkstar.ucsc.edu> hermit@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (William R. Ward) writes: >But I'm still looking for alternatives to Procomm, and I'd like to >know... Is Procomm Plus worth it? (It's commercial software, not >shareware, from what I understand.) If not, can you recommend something >with a *good* emulation of some terminal? I have used PROCOMM, TELIX, and KERMIT, as well as various rinky-dinky terminal programs for windows, the one from the pc-tools, and others.. The "best" in my opinion is RBCOMM31, a FREEWARE program available from simtel. The terminal is the ONLY emulation that works 100% with the vt100/vt102 settings ofn our HPUX/MIPS/SUN systems here at work. All of the others resulted in messy screens at some point. RBCOMM even works with the X-windows `resize -c` thingie that we used to dynamically configure weird screen sizes. It supports 214,43,50 lines no problem, has a dialing directory, script language, and is both Desqview and 16550AN "aware". An excellent program. Definitely the best for the price, and a good one at any price (IMHO). -- ___Mark S. Lord______________________________________________ | ..uunet!bnrgate!bmerh614!mlord | These are my opinions only.| |________________________________|____________________________|
ralf@b.gp.cs.cmu.edu (Ralf Brown) (07/05/90)
In article <3717@bwdls58.UUCP> mlord@bwdls58.bnr.ca (Mark Lord) writes: }In article <4759@darkstar.ucsc.edu> hermit@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (William R. Ward) writes: }>But I'm still looking for alternatives to Procomm, and I'd like to } }The "best" in my opinion is RBCOMM31, a FREEWARE program available from simtel. }[...] }Definitely the best for the price, and a good one at any price (IMHO). Thanks! There are some bugs in the v3.12 macro language (in the compiler, in particular) that will be fixed in the next release, which I hope to get out some time this month. -- {backbone}!cs.cmu.edu!ralf ARPA: RALF@CS.CMU.EDU FIDO: Ralf Brown 1:129/3.1 BITnet: RALF%CS.CMU.EDU@CMUCCVMA AT&Tnet: (412)268-3053 (school) FAX: ask _How_to_Prove_It_ by Dana Angluin 23. proof by semantic shift: some standard but inconvenient definitions are changed for the statement of the result.