[comp.sys.ibm.pc] Super VGA cards......

elund@pro-graphics.cts.com (Eric Lund) (02/18/90)

'Ello all.  It's time again for "What do you think is the best _______?"
Mine is:  you know what it is, you read the heading.
Anyhow, I currently have a Sony CPD1303 monitor with 800x600 resolution. 
Installed is a Paradise VGA 16 card, allowing me to access 800x600 in 16
colors, and 640x400 with 256.  Now, by adding 256k, I can increase 256 color
resolution by 640x80, but big deal.  (With the vga16 card, can I just add
chips, or do I need the Professional card?)  Doesn't matter, I'm not going to
add a hundred bucks for a small step.  When I upgrade, I want to fully
implement the powers of my monitor.  What are the powers of my monitor?  If I
get the right card, can I go up to 4096 colors+?  If that's too 'spensive
then any recommendations on a 800x600x256 color card (preferably 16 bit --
I've grown used to the extra speed)?

I, and my frontal lobe, both thank you for your astounding knowledge.

Eric

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dlow@hpspcoi.HP.COM (Danny Low) (02/21/90)

>Installed is a Paradise VGA 16 card, allowing me to access 800x600 in 16
>colors, and 640x400 with 256.  Now, by adding 256k, I can increase 256 color
>resolution by 640x80, but big deal.  (With the vga16 card, can I just add
>chips, or do I need the Professional card?)  Doesn't matter, I'm not going to
>add a hundred bucks for a small step.  
     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

I did that upgrade. Total cost was $20 plus tax. It was 8 64x4 80 NS DRAM 
chips at $2.50 ea. I was rather amazed at the difference in picture 
quality going from 640x400 to 640x480. It's a cheap upgrade. Less than
the price of dinner at a fancy restaurant.

			   Danny Low
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lmm@cci632.UUCP (Lance Michel) (02/23/90)

In article <1640063@hpspcoi.HP.COM> dlow@hpspcoi.HP.COM (Danny Low) writes:
>>Installed is a Paradise VGA 16 card, allowing me to access 800x600 in 16
>>colors, and 640x400 with 256.  Now, by adding 256k, I can increase 256 color
>.....
>I did that upgrade. Total cost was $20 plus tax. It was 8 64x4 80 NS DRAM 
>chips at $2.50 ea. I was rather amazed at the difference in picture 
>quality going from 640x400 to 640x480. It's a cheap upgrade. Less than
>the price of dinner at a fancy restaurant.
>

Whoa! Can I do this with a Paradise VGA Plus card?  I always thought my card
wasn't upgradable because of the lack of empty sockets.  Also, the 
documentation I have doesn't mention an upgrade option.

Thanks,
lmm@cci632.UUCP

sv@v7fs1.UUCP (Steve Verity) (02/24/90)

>   [       ]
>implement the powers of my monitor.  What are the powers of my monitor?  If I
>get the right card, can I go up to 4096 colors+?  If that's too 'spensive
>then any recommendations on a 800x600x256 color card (preferably 16 bit --
>I've grown used to the extra speed)?

As far as I know, there is no 4096 color VGA.  Video-7's VRAM VGA will do
800x600x256.  It is also 16 bits, and very fast.


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wallwey@boulder.Colorado.EDU (WALLWEY DEAN WILLIAM) (06/29/90)

Does anybody know if the Logos Plantinum VGA16 is the same super
VGA card as the Logix VGA1000?  If the cards are the same, are the
BIOSes different.  Do either (both?) support 1024x768 in NON-interlaced
modes?  

Does anybody have a better recommendation for a super VGA card that can
handle NON-interlaced 1024x768x16 colors?  (Or even better yet
1024x768x256 colors!)

-Thanks in advance
Dean Wallwey


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chaz@chinet.chi.il.us (Charlie Kestner) (06/30/90)

In article <22887@boulder.Colorado.EDU> wallwey@snoopy.Colorado.EDU (WALLWEY DEAN WILLIAM) writes:
>Does anybody have a better recommendation for a super VGA card that can
>handle NON-interlaced 1024x768x16 colors?  (Or even better yet
>1024x768x256 colors!)

  Try the Orchid Pro-Designer w/512K.  1024x768x256 non-interlaced.
  DEFINITELY try it with a Soncy CPD-1304 non-interlaced 14" VGA!!!

petrilli@walt.cc.utexas.edu (Chris Petrilli) (07/03/90)

In article <1990Jun30.013423.1275@chinet.chi.il.us> chaz@chinet.chi.il.us (Charlie Kestner) writes:
>>Does anybody have a better recommendation for a super VGA card that can
>>handle NON-interlaced 1024x768x16 colors?  (Or even better yet
>>1024x768x256 colors!)
>
>  Try the Orchid Pro-Designer w/512K.  1024x768x256 non-interlaced.
>  DEFINITELY try it with a Soncy CPD-1304 non-interlaced 14" VGA!!!

Watch that... you need 1M of video RAM to do 1024x768x256.  512K will only
get you 16 colors.  There is a difference.  The Orchid is an excellent card
however, but if you HAVE to have that resolution, I assume it's for CAD
or something along that line.  In that case, something from Number Nine, or
Artist would fit it better.
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Rick.Holzer@FtCollins.NCR.com (Rick.Holzer) (07/03/90)

>>>>> On 3 Jul 90 00:48:27 GMT, petrilli@walt.cc.utexas.edu (Chris Petrilli) said:
Chris> Posted: Mon Jul  2 19:48:27 1990

Chris> In article <1990Jun30.013423.1275@chinet.chi.il.us> chaz@chinet.chi.il.us (Charlie Kestner) writes:
>>Does anybody have a better recommendation for a super VGA card that can
>>handle NON-interlaced 1024x768x16 colors?  (Or even better yet
>>1024x768x256 colors!)
>
>  Try the Orchid Pro-Designer w/512K.  1024x768x256 non-interlaced.
>  DEFINITELY try it with a Soncy CPD-1304 non-interlaced 14" VGA!!!

Chris> Watch that... you need 1M of video RAM to do 1024x768x256.  512K will only
Chris> get you 16 colors.  There is a difference.  The Orchid is an excellent card
Chris> however, but if you HAVE to have that resolution, I assume it's for CAD
Chris> or something along that line.  In that case, something from Number Nine, or
Chris> Artist would fit it better.

I am very close to buying a Sony CPD-1304 and a Trident 8916 2/8 16-bit
VGA board with 1MB video Ram.  The card, according to my dealer and PC
World (May 1990, pgs 176,177), is supposed to handle 1024x768x256.  



Will this card support non-interlaced graphics at this resolution?

Is this combination as good as it seems?

Thanks,

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ron@woan.austin.ibm.com (Ronald S. Woan) (07/03/90)

In article <1990Jun30.013423.1275@chinet.chi.il.us>,
chaz@chinet.chi.il.us (Charlie Kestner) writes:
chaz>   Try the Orchid Pro-Designer w/512K.  1024x768x256 non-interlaced.
chaz>   DEFINITELY try it with a Soncy CPD-1304 non-interlaced 14" VGA!!!

You'll need 1MB of RAM on the card to do 1024x768 in 256 colors with
any of the Tseng labs or Trident 8900 based cards.

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albertw@yoda.chips.com (albertw) (07/03/90)

In article <1990Jun30.013423.1275@chinet.chi.il.us> chaz@chinet.chi.il.us (Charlie Kestner) writes:
>
>  Try the Orchid Pro-Designer w/512K.  1024x768x256 non-interlaced.
>  DEFINITELY try it with a Soncy CPD-1304 non-interlaced 14" VGA!!!

I think that particular card is the new Prodesigner II with 1Meg of ram.  I
have the original Prodesigner with 512K.  The highest res is 1024x768x16.  Just
thought you'd like to know. (grin)

coy@ssc-vax.UUCP (Stephen B Coy) (07/04/90)

In article <1990Jun30.013423.1275@chinet.chi.il.us>, chaz@chinet.chi.il.us (Charlie Kestner) writes:
>   Try the Orchid Pro-Designer w/512K.  1024x768x256 non-interlaced.
>   DEFINITELY try it with a Soncy CPD-1304 non-interlaced 14" VGA!!!

Ummm, how does Orchid fit 768k of data into 512k of RAM?  :-)  I
think you'll find that the Pro-Designer's max resolutions are
800x600x256 and 1024x768x16.

Stephen Coy
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scotte@locus.com (Scott Eberline) (07/04/90)

In article <1990Jun30.013423.1275@chinet.chi.il.us> chaz@chinet.chi.il.us (Charlie Kestner) writes:
>  Try the Orchid Pro-Designer w/512K.  1024x768x256 non-interlaced.

Doesn't 1024x768x256 require 768K at a minimum?

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Duel@cup.portal.com (Omid M Farr) (07/05/90)

I'm looking for a SVGA card for a new 386 system.. I've looked at the Video
Seven VRAM, but I've heard it has a few flaws including non-compatibility
with some software. I wasn't too concerned with the price since I've heard
its among one of the fastest, but not that I've heard incompatibility I
am starting to move away from it.. Is the Orchid ProDesigner II completely
compatible?? How fast does it rate.. compared to your average VGA card and
the Video-7 VRAM.. The price is about $100 less than the V-7 and with 1meg
installed offers more colors, so it sounds like something to look into..
Also if anyone knows of other 1024*768*256 (preferably 256) SVGA with a
competitive speed rating, I'd appreciate the info..
Also, where can I obtain information on the bus speed for svga cards? (Is
that even important?) I'm looking for anything from 12-14 MHz, the faster
the better.

bmarsh@cod.NOSC.MIL (William C. Marsh) (07/06/90)

In article <31413@cup.portal.com> Duel@cup.portal.com (Omid M Farr) writes:
>I'm looking for a SVGA card for a new 386 system.. I've looked at the Video
>Seven VRAM, but I've heard it has a few flaws including non-compatibility
>with some software.

I have been using a VRAM VGA for well over a year now, and I have only had 
one program not work correctly with the default settings of the board.  This
was the (excellent) Bananoid game, and it only required the card to be set
into 'pure' mode for it to work.  Other than this one case, all 7 boards I
know of (mine, three friends, three at work) worked right out of the box.
You also can't beat the upgrade policy either.

Just a satisfied customer!

Bill
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sv@hsv3.UUCP (Steve Verity) (07/06/90)

In article <31413@cup.portal.com> Duel@cup.portal.com (Omid M Farr) writes:
>I'm looking for a SVGA card for a new 386 system.. I've looked at the Video
>Seven VRAM, but I've heard it has a few flaws including non-compatibility

I think you will find the VRAM one of the best and most compatable
boards out there.  Also note that High res Windows 3.0 drivers for
this board are "in the box", that is, shipped with MS windows.

If you know of any speific software that has a problem on the VRAM,
lets hear it, otherwise lets not talk about vague "flaws"...

disclaimer: NOT an official spokesman, all views my own, etc.








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