dyer@atari.UUCP (Landon Dyer) (09/14/87)
Has anyone successfully thrown away the entire windowing system on the
3B1? I've already removed the "exec" line from my .profile script,
but I'd like to be able to use the ENTIRE SCREEN for editing and so
on. (I'd also like to make the mouse invisible).
They're MY pixels -- I want to use them!
It is an impressive machine for the price....
--
-Landon Dyer, Atari Corporation {sun,amdcad,lll-lcc,imagen}!atari!dyer
The views expressed here do not necessarily reflect those
of Atari or the AI software that has taken over my brain.
Yow! I am waiting for my warranty-expired interrupt! FREE P1!gst@wjh12.HARVARD.EDU (Gary S. Trujillo) (09/21/87)
In article <840@atari.UUCP> dyer@atari.UUCP (Landon Dyer) writes: > Has anyone successfully thrown away the entire windowing system on the > 3B1? I've already removed the "exec" line from my .profile script, > but I'd like to be able to use the ENTIRE SCREEN for editing and so > on. (I'd also like to make the mouse invisible). > > They're MY pixels -- I want to use them! > > It is an impressive machine for the price.... Well, I recently came across a gizmo from AT&Ts "THE STORE!" in New Jersey (201-957-4646 (1200 baud)) called "windy" which, among other things, permits one to enlarge a window to the full screen size (and throw away the window borders). It appears that source code for "windy" is also available. [By the way, they also have something called "capctl" which is an installable driver for the keyboard which allows you to use the "caps lock" key for a control key. I could not and would not try to train my fingers to use the "ctrl" key next to the space bar. "capctl" also allows you to flip quickly from one window to the next without having to go to a menu.] Here's the description that comes with "windy," written by Jim Reeds: | windy, a tool for inspecting and manipulating window parameters. | See the article 'window' in Section 7 of the 7300 System V Administrator's | manual, and see the file /usr/include/sys/window.h | | Brief theory. Each window has these parameters: | (the ones marked RO are not alterable by a user) | | NAME ARG TYPE MEANING | | uw_x -x 16 bits x coord of upper left corner, in pixels | uw_y -y 16 bits y coord of upper left corner, in pixels | uw_width -w 16 bits width of window, in pixels | uw_height -h 16 bits height of window, in pixels | uw_uflags -f 16 bits word of bits. see | /usr/include/sys/window.h | You can alter bits 4ff. | uw_hs 8 bits[RO] ? | uw_vs 8 bits[RO] ? | uw_baseline 8 bits[RO] ? | uw_cx 16 bits[RO] ? | uw_cy 16 bits[RO] ? | | PROMPT -p char string 'prompt' line | CMD -c char string 'command' line | LABEL -l char string label on top of window border | USER -n char string name of window as reported W icon. | SLK1 -1 char string first line of F-key labels | SLK2 -2 char string second line of F-key labels | | The 29-line screen is divied up like this: | | Line 1: status line | Lines 2-25: window lines | Line 26: the prompt line | Line 27: the line a user types in | Line 28: the top line of special function key labels | Line 29: the bottom line of ditto. | | OK. the program windy can be used to | 1) report these things or | 2) alter them. | | Examples of use: (see the column labeles ARGS above) | 1. To get a report about current window, do this: | windy -r | | 2. To alter current window name: | windy -n "My New Name" | | 3. To alter size of current window: | windy -w 400 -h 100 | | 4. To make current window borderless & of maximal size: | windy | | 5. To make a new borderless maximal window with 'vi file' running | in it: | windy vi file | | 6. To do the above and call the new window "Vi Hotshot": | windy -n "Vi Hotshot" vi file | | | In general, there are 2 forms: | | windy -r | windy [window-args] [command-args] | | As we saw, windy -r just reports on current window. In the second case, | if no command-args are given, the window-args apply to the current window. | If command-args are given, a new window is created and the window-args | apply to it, and the indicated command is run in the new window. | An empty window-args list means borderless & maximal size. | | Valid window args are listed in ARGS column of table above. The only | zinger is this: the -f arg must be specified in hex, the other numerical | args in decimal. | | NEW STUFF 5 Dec 85 | === ===== = === == | | Two new flags: -b -K | | -b applies only to windy invocations that create a new window, viz, those | that specify command-args. It puts the command in the new window in | the background, so that if you return to the window manager and select | your shell, the shell will not wait for the windy command to finish. | | Try "windy -b directu" and click on the corner W and select the shell, | contrast with "windy directu" followed by ditto: much better the -b way. | | NOTE: there is a command 'resume' which is a shelly way of selecting | windows for the mouse shy. | | -K is used to put RVideo mode on the SLK labels. You invoke windy with | an argument list like: | | windy -1 "special key label, row 1" -2 "special key label, row 2" \ | -K " rrrrrrrr rrrrrrr rrrrrrrr rrrrrrrr rrrrrrrr " | | and whereever an 'r' occurs in the K-arg, the corresponding slk label | noodle will be in reverse video. The other entries will be blank. -- Gary Trujillo (harvard!wjh12!gst)
kathy@bakerst.UUCP (Kathy Vincent) (09/21/87)
Sorry. I can't post a followup to this group ... Newsgroups: sun!sunne!gnosys!gst In article <97@wjh12.HARVARD.EDU> gst@wjh12.UUCP (Gary S. Trujillo) writes: >In article <840@atari.UUCP> dyer@atari.UUCP (Landon Dyer) writes: > >> Has anyone successfully thrown away the entire windowing system on the >> 3B1? I've already removed the "exec" line from my .profile script, >> but I'd like to be able to use the ENTIRE SCREEN for editing and so >> on. (I'd also like to make the mouse invisible). > > [ Gary posted info about 'windy' from the Store ] Something else that's rather nifty was posted not long ago to unix-pc.general by Jim Rosenberg (amanue!jr) - the option of using multiple gettys and establishing several virtual terminals. This doesn't take care of the status line or the mouse, but Jim may have some ideas about that, too, and he just hasn't posted them yet. Several of us have been using the multiple getty approach, and I, for one, like it quite a bit. All it takes is adding a couple of lines to your /etc/inittab file (thank you, KB). You've got one - that looks like this: vid:2:respawn:/etc/getty window 9600 Now, for each extra "window" you want, add another line. I've got two. Someone else has six extra. 8-} vi1:2:respawn:/etc/getty window 9600 vi2:2:respawn:/etc/getty window 9600 You have to log in to each "window," but that's no big problem. To switch back and forth, just hit the "Suspd" key, select a window, and hit the "Enter" key, and there you are. Someone recently told me that the window manager from the Store would make switching easier - enabling you to step between "windows" with the "Resume" key. This approach cuts back on the number of "windows" available to 'ua', but if you're not using 'ua', you probably don't care. Jim also posted a program that enables you to label your "windows" so that you don't just get the "Unknown Contents" line for each window. I don't have that running yet, myself. Kathy Vincent ------> Home: {ihnp4|mtune|codas|ptsfa}!bakerst!kathy ------> AT&T: {ihnp4|mtune|burl}!wrcola!kathy
allbery@ncoast.UUCP (Brandon Allbery) (09/22/87)
As quoted from <840@atari.UUCP> by dyer@atari.UUCP (Landon Dyer): +--------------- | Has anyone successfully thrown away the entire windowing system on the | 3B1? I've already removed the "exec" line from my .profile script, | but I'd like to be able to use the ENTIRE SCREEN for editing and so | on. (I'd also like to make the mouse invisible). | | They're MY pixels -- I want to use them! +--------------- I advise against this: /etc/profile wants to make the non-windowed console terminal type "adm3" -- another word for DUMB. On the other hand, you might be able to modify a window to use all of the screen; check out window(7) in Vol. II of the user's manual. Only, I don't have any idea what to do about the deathstar "working" icon.... -- Brandon S. Allbery, moderator of comp.sources.misc {{harvard,mit-eddie}!necntc,well!hoptoad,sun!mandrill!hal}!ncoast!allbery ARPA: necntc!ncoast!allbery@harvard.harvard.edu Fido: 157/502 MCI: BALLBERY <<ncoast Public Access UNIX: +1 216 781 6201 24hrs. 300/1200/2400 baud>> All opinions in this message are random characters produced when my cat jumped (-: up onto the keyboard of my PC. :-)
kathy@bakerst.UUCP (Kathy Vincent) (09/22/87)
In article <914@bakerst.UUCP>, kathy@bakerst.UUCP (Kathy Vincent) writes: > > Someone recently told me that the window manager from the Store > would make switching easier - enabling you to step between > "windows" with the "Resume" key. This approach cuts back on the > number of "windows" available to 'ua', but if you're not using 'ua', > you probably don't care. The "This approach" refers to the use of multiple gettys - NOT to the switching back and forth with the "Resume" key. Sorry for the muddy waters. Kathy Vincent ------> Home: {ihnp4|mtune|codas|ptsfa}!bakerst!kathy ------> AT&T: {ihnp4|mtune|burl}!wrcola!kathy
sid@chinet.UUCP (Sid Grange) (09/22/87)
In article <914@bakerst.UUCP> kathy@bakerst.UUCP (Kathy Vincent) writes: > >You have to log in to each "window," but that's no big problem. >To switch back and forth, just hit the "Suspd" key, select a >window, and hit the "Enter" key, and there you are. >Someone recently told me that the window manager from the Store >would make switching easier - enabling you to step between >"windows" with the "Resume" key. If you hit just the "Suspd" key that's what you get; the list of active windows to choose from. You don't need windy or any other program from the store to just flip between windows. If you hit <shift> while you press "Suspd" or "Rsume" you'll flip through your active windows. It's faster (though the windows running getty tend to get in the way). This works on 3.51 and *probably* 3.5. Sid Grange sid@chinet ihnp4!chinet!sid
kathy@bakerst.UUCP (09/23/87)
In article <1606@chinet.UUCP> sid@chinet.UUCP (Sid Grange) writes: >In article <914@bakerst.UUCP> kathy@bakerst.UUCP (Kathy Vincent) writes: >> >>You have to log in to each "window," but that's no big problem. >>To switch back and forth, just hit the "Suspd" key, select a >>window, and hit the "Enter" key, and there you are. >>Someone recently told me that the window manager from the Store >>would make switching easier - enabling you to step between >>"windows" with the "Resume" key. > >If you hit just the "Suspd" key that's what you get; the list of active >windows to choose from. You don't need windy or any other program >from the store to just flip between windows. If you hit <shift> while you >press "Suspd" or "Rsume" you'll flip through your active windows. It's >faster (though the windows running getty tend to get in the way). This >works on 3.51 and *probably* 3.5. This, on top of the rest, finally confuses me: "though the windows running getty tend to get in the way." Are you talking about using the 'ua' with its multiple active windows, or just about using multiple gettys? I do *NOT* use the 'ua' at all - I just have three gettys running - and <shift> "Suspd"/"Rsume" does nothing for me. The only way I have been able to switch from window to window is by depressing the "Suspd" (NOT shifted), selecting a window, and depressing the "Enter" key. Granted, I haven't upgraded to 3.51 - I'm still running 3.5 - so, if you aren't talking about using the 'ua', perhaps therein lies the difference. Kathy Vincent ------> Home: {ihnp4|mtune|codas|ptsfa}!bakerst!kathy ------> AT&T: {ihnp4|mtune|burl}!wrcola!kathy
grt@twitch.UUCP ( G.R.Tomasevich) (09/23/87)
In article <97@wjh12.HARVARD.EDU>, gst@wjh12.HARVARD.EDU (Gary S. Trujillo) writes: >... > Well, I recently came across a gizmo from AT&Ts "THE STORE!" in New Jersey > (201-957-4646 (1200 baud)) called "windy" which, among other things, permits > one to enlarge a window to the full screen size (and throw away the window > ... > | The 29-line screen is divied up like this: Note that the original poster wants free use of ALL the pixels. You still do not get the status line and such. I think 'windy' is nice, though. BTW, the author's path came out in the Newsgroups field !!?? -- George Tomasevich, ihnp4!twitch!grt AT&T Bell Laboratories, Holmdel, NJ
dbw@mtunk.UUCP (09/23/87)
The window manager (/etc/wmgr) does the flipping. In 3.51
the shift-{suspd,rsume} keys do it, in WMGR from THE STORE!
(for 3.5) it's rsume and shift-rsume. For 3.0, in CAPCTL
(or whatever it's called) it's right_ctrl+right_shift and
vice versa, with the kernel intercepting the keystrokes in
the keyboard driver. It doesn't matter whether you use ua,
it's kernel operations that switch the windows.
Dave Woodgst@wjh12.UUCP (09/25/87)
In article <778@twitch.UUCP> grt@twitch.UUCP ( G.R.Tomasevich) writes: >In article <97@wjh12.HARVARD.EDU>, gst@wjh12.HARVARD.EDU (Gary S. Trujillo) writes: >>... >> Well, I recently came across a gizmo from AT&Ts "THE STORE!" in New Jersey... > >BTW, the author's path came out in the Newsgroups field !!?? Yeah [blush]. Kathy Vincent also pointed out my goof. I haven't done a whole lot of posting, and mistook the "Followup-To" for "Reply-To." Mea maxima culpa! Sorry to trouble everyone who has followup-ed, or who has tried doing so. Gary S. Trujillo One Cranberry Hill Sun Microsystems Lexington, Massachusetts 02173 617-863-8870x302 sun!sunne!gnosys!gst -- Gary Trujillo (harvard!wjh12!gst)
csf@mtunb.ATT.COM (C. Furchner) (09/29/87)
In article <1606@chinet.UUCP> sid@chinet.UUCP (Sid Grange) writes: > [On the UNIX PC] if you hit <shift> while you >press "Suspd" or "Rsume" you'll flip through your active windows. It's >faster (though the windows running getty tend to get in the way). This >works on 3.51 and *probably* 3.5. Flipping between active windows using shift-suspend and shift-resume is a new feature in version 3.51 of the UNIX PC software. C. Furchner ...ihnp4!mtune!mtunb!csf
allbery@ncoast.UUCP (09/30/87)
As quoted from <921@bakerst.UUCP> by kathy@bakerst.UUCP (Kathy Vincent): +--------------- | In article <1606@chinet.UUCP> sid@chinet.UUCP (Sid Grange) writes: | >from the store to just flip between windows. If you hit <shift> while you | >press "Suspd" or "Rsume" you'll flip through your active windows. It's | >faster (though the windows running getty tend to get in the way). This | >works on 3.51 and *probably* 3.5. | | just have three gettys running - and <shift> "Suspd"/"Rsume" does nothing | for me. The only way I have been able to switch from window to window is | by depressing the "Suspd" (NOT shifted), selecting a window, and depressing | the "Enter" key. +--------------- The docs that came with my 3B1 list Shift/Suspend and Shift/Resume as new features of 3.51. They are probably worth the upgrade all by themselves. -- Brandon S. Allbery, moderator of comp.sources.misc {{harvard,mit-eddie}!necntc,well!hoptoad,sun!mandrill!hal}!ncoast!allbery ARPA: necntc!ncoast!allbery@harvard.harvard.edu Fido: 157/502 MCI: BALLBERY <<ncoast Public Access UNIX: +1 216 781 6201 24hrs. 300/1200/2400 baud>> "`You left off the thunderclap and the lightning flash.', I told him. `Should I try again?' `Never mind.'" --Steven Brust, JHEREG
imd@ihlpg.ATT.COM (Ira M. Dworkin) (10/01/87)
In article allbery@ncoast.UUCP (Brandon Allbery) <4777@ncoast.UUCP> writes: > The docs that came with my 3B1 list Shift/Suspend and Shift/Resume as new > features of 3.51. They are probably worth the upgrade all by themselves. > -- Or, just get WMGR for 3.5 from The Store! Shift/Resume takes you back one window, Resume takes you forward a window. Since this is FREE, I don't think the Shift/Suspend / Shift/Resume feature alone warrants an upgrade to 3.51. Ira Dworkin AT&T Bell Laboratories Naperville, IL 60566 ihnp4!ihlpg!imd
imd@ihlpg.UUCP (10/02/87)
> > Just get WMGR from The Store! It's free ... ... > Ira Dworkin > AT&T Bell Laboratories > ihnp4!ihlpg!imd Sorry, I goofed. WMGR is AT&T Proprietary (I didn't realize when I posted), so not everyone has access to it. - ira