ninja@bradley.UUCP (11/02/87)
> No error was returned, however the phone was not disconnected either.
I had the same problem with mine. Very irritating when you trust uucp
to hang up your phone. It didn't complete the call successfully, and
I gave up in disgust. I went to use my phone about 2 hours later and
it was off-hook; thanks AT&T. I also noticed that in general the 3B1
loves to grab a phone line entirely (you can't pick up your phone to
listen and see if it's dialing, or if it's transfering data).
My initial solution was to have my caller script call 'phtoggle' twice after
calling uucico. My long-term solution was to install someone else's
uucp that has been hacked locally to run on a 3B1 over our ISN.
I installed that and it was much more friendly, including very thorough
L.sys and L-devices examples.
Frank McGee
Microcomputer Support Specialist
Bradley University
Peoria, Il. 61625rjd@althea.UUCP (11/04/87)
In article <9300026@bradley>, ninja@bradley.UUCP writes: > > I had the same problem with mine. Very irritating when you trust uucp > to hang up your phone. It didn't complete the call successfully, and > I gave up in disgust. I went to use my phone about 2 hours later and > it was off-hook; thanks AT&T. I also noticed that in general the 3B1 > loves to grab a phone line entirely (you can't pick up your phone to > listen and see if it's dialing, or if it's transfering data). I used to have the same problem. Since I installed HoneyDanBer UUCP (available from THE STORE!) I don't have the no hangup problem. -- Robert Diamond | UUCP: ...!rutgers!unirot!althea!diamond | INTERNET: diamond@althea.rutgers.edu
vanam@pttesac.UUCP (Marnix van Ammers) (11/05/87)
In article <212@althea.UUCP> rjd@althea.UUCP (Rob Diamond) writes: >In article <9300026@bradley>, ninja@bradley.UUCP writes: >> >> I had the same problem with mine. Very irritating when you trust uucp >> to hang up your phone. It didn't complete the call successfully, and >> I gave up in disgust. I went to use my phone about 2 hours later and >> it was off-hook; thanks AT&T. I also noticed that in general the 3B1 >> loves to grab a phone line entirely (you can't pick up your phone to >> listen and see if it's dialing, or if it's transfering data). > >I used to have the same problem. Since I installed HoneyDanBer UUCP >(available from THE STORE!) I don't have the no hangup problem. Well, would someone please tell us non-AT&T types when *we* might be allowed to beg, borrow, or (gasp) *buy* that HoneyDanBer UUCP? As I understand it, it's only available to AT&T employees. Thanks, Marnix ---- -- Marnix (ain't unix!) A. van\ Ammers Work: (415) 545-8334 Home: (707) 644-9781 CEO: MAVANAMMERS:UNIX WORK UUCP: {ihnp4|ptsfa}!pttesac!vanam CIS: 70027,70 HOME UUCP: pttesac!Marnix!vanam
rjd@althea.UUCP (11/05/87)
In article <599@pttesac.UUCP>, vanam@pttesac.UUCP (Marnix van Ammers) writes: > In article <212@althea.UUCP> rjd@althea.UUCP (Rob Diamond) writes: > > > >I used to have the same problem. Since I installed HoneyDanBer UUCP > >(available from THE STORE!) I don't have the no hangup problem. > > Well, would someone please tell us non-AT&T types when > *we* might be allowed to beg, borrow, or (gasp) *buy* > that HoneyDanBer UUCP? As I understand it, it's only available > to AT&T employees. If you want to get access to the store, and anyone can do it, give Susan Woodbury (the store!keeper) a call on (201) 957-2589, and she will send you a STORE! diskette, if you're nice to her. :-) However, I know that there are some programs that are only accessible by AT&T folks. HDB UUCP may be one of them, but I kinda doubt it. Rob. -- Robert Diamond | UUCP: ...!rutgers!unirot!althea!diamond | INTERNET: diamond@althea.rutgers.edu
rich@oxtrap.UUCP (K. Richard Magill) (11/06/87)
In article <212@althea.UUCP> rjd@althea.UUCP (Rob Diamond) writes: >I used to have the same problem. Since I installed HoneyDanBer UUCP >(available from THE STORE!) I don't have the no hangup problem. > Robert Diamond | UUCP: ...!rutgers!unirot!althea!diamond > | INTERNET: diamond@althea.rutgers.edu Uh... This person isn't from AT&T! Is HDB free from AT&T for 3b1? gasp! I suppose it makes sense since they don't sell it. ($60K for a 3b2 source liscense doesn't count for those few of us running something other than a 3b2.) (like a 3b1). rich.
allbery@ncoast.UUCP (Brandon Allbery) (11/08/87)
As quoted from <9300026@bradley> by ninja@bradley.UUCP: +--------------- | I had the same problem with mine. Very irritating when you trust uucp | to hang up your phone. It didn't complete the call successfully, and | I gave up in disgust. I went to use my phone about 2 hours later and | it was off-hook; thanks AT&T. I also noticed that in general the 3B1 | loves to grab a phone line entirely (you can't pick up your phone to | listen and see if it's dialing, or if it's transfering data). +--------------- I've had it happen too; recovery is simply doing a "ps -ef", noticing that there is a setgetty hung, and killing the setgetty. THIS IS BOGUS!!! Is there some way that I can inform the Phone Manager that I *never* want a getty on the phone line? (My machine is not dial-in, and I won't be making it dial-in.) Just renaming setgetty won't work (and neither does replacing it with a C program which does nothing but exit(0)); cu, at least, reports "requested device not known" after this. -- Brandon S. Allbery necntc!ncoast!allbery@harvard.harvard.edu {harvard!necntc,well!hoptoad,sun!mandrill!hal,uunet!hnsurg3}!ncoast!allbery Moderator of comp.sources.misc
allbery@ncoast.UUCP (Brandon Allbery) (11/08/87)
As quoted from <212@althea.UUCP> by rjd@althea.UUCP (Rob Diamond): +--------------- | I used to have the same problem. Since I installed HoneyDanBer UUCP | (available from THE STORE!) I don't have the no hangup problem. +--------------- AARGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Some of us are NOT AT&T EMPLOYEES!!! THE STORE! is restricted for us; in particular, we can't GET HoneyDanBer! REAL solutions, anyone? -- Brandon S. Allbery necntc!ncoast!allbery@harvard.harvard.edu {harvard!necntc,well!hoptoad,sun!mandrill!hal,uunet!hnsurg3}!ncoast!allbery Moderator of comp.sources.misc
allbery@ncoast.UUCP (Brandon Allbery) (11/11/87)
As quoted from <213@althea.UUCP> by rjd@althea.UUCP (Rob Diamond): +--------------- | > >(available from THE STORE!) I don't have the no hangup problem. | | However, I know that there are some programs that are only accessible | by AT&T folks. HDB UUCP may be one of them, but I kinda doubt it. +--------------- Wrong. I just called for the latest Catalog, just to make sure; HDB is NOT on the "non-AT&T" Catalog. Would AT&T at least consider distributing a fix for the bug in our UUCP, if they won't let us get HDB? ------ By the way, thanks to everyone for their response to my query about telling my 3B1 not to accept dialin data calls. I know about the "respawn" vs. "off" since I've administered System V systems for two years; what I did *not* know was whether changing it would cause any system programs to get upset at me (i.e. the d*mned Phone Manager, or perhaps setgetty, etc.). After all, I figure there's *some* reason for the DO NOT EDIT!!! comment in /etc/inittab. -- Brandon S. Allbery necntc!ncoast!allbery@harvard.harvard.edu {harvard!necntc,well!hoptoad,sun!mandrill!hal,uunet!hnsurg3}!ncoast!allbery Moderator of comp.sources.misc "This... is the helm." "Unless there've been some changes I don't know about!"
brian@sdcsvax.UCSD.EDU (Brian Kantor) (11/13/87)
The reason for the DO NOT EDIT is that the system administration scripts expect to find things in fixed locations. For example, in one setup, the first character is changed from a : to a space to turn on and off the line in the shell script. If you edit the line and delete the space, the next time you try to use the administration script, all will come unstuck. Brian Kantor UCSD Office of Academic Computing Academic Network Operations Group UCSD B-028, La Jolla, CA 92093 USA
davidsen@steinmetz.steinmetz.UUCP (William E. Davidsen Jr) (11/13/87)
In article <5552@ncoast.UUCP> allbery@ncoast.UUCP (Brandon Allbery) writes: |As quoted from <213@althea.UUCP> by rjd@althea.UUCP (Rob Diamond): |+--------------- || > >(available from THE STORE!) I don't have the no hangup problem. || || However, I know that there are some programs that are only accessible || by AT&T folks. HDB UUCP may be one of them, but I kinda doubt it. |+--------------- | |Wrong. I just called for the latest Catalog, just to make sure; HDB is NOT |on the "non-AT&T" Catalog. HDB was originally in the non-ATT section (I think before there even were sections. So was ksh. I would like to know what the status of those versions is, since at the time I got them redistribution was permitted. -- bill davidsen (wedu@ge-crd.arpa) {uunet | philabs | seismo}!steinmetz!crdos1!davidsen "Stupidity, like virtue, is its own reward" -me