swi@cs.paisley.ac.uk (Scott Wilson) (03/09/88)
I read in a magazine the other week that the 3b5/15 and the 2/400's were
being discontinued. Is there any truth in this claim and if so, what
support will be available for the machines i have ????
Yours,
Worried Of Paisley.
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----------------------------------------------------------olapw@olgb1.oliv.co.uk (Tony Walton) (03/18/88)
In article <407@paisley.ac.uk>, swi@cs.paisley.ac.uk (Scott Wilson) writes: > > I read in a magazine the other week that the 3b5/15 and the 2/400's were > being discontinued. Is there any truth in this claim and if so, what There is no truth in this rumour. The 3B2/400 is not being discontinued. Even the 3B2/310 is still available, though with a l-o-n-g delivery time - the 400 is effectively the base machine of the 3B range. 3B5's have effectively been superseded (superceded?) by 3B2/600's now, but the 3B15 is alive and well. Support for the 300, 310, 400, 500, 600, 3B5, 3B15 is also alive and well. -- Tony Walton, OEM/VAR Division, British Olivetti Ltd., Wellington House, 154-160 Upper Richmond Road, London, England SW15 2FN LONDON, SW15 2FN. Tel: (+44) 1 789 6699 Telefax: (+44) 1 785 6670 Telex:27258 Uucp : { ukc | mcvax!olnl1 | ihnp4!cuuxb | iconet | olhqma } !olgb1!olapw
still@usceast.UUCP (Bert Still) (03/23/88)
In article <448@olgb1.oliv.co.uk> olapw@olgb1.oliv.co.uk (Tony Walton) writes: >In article <407@paisley.ac.uk>, swi@cs.paisley.ac.uk (Scott Wilson) writes: >> >> I read in a magazine the other week that the 3b5/15 and the 2/400's were >> being discontinued. Is there any truth in this claim and if so, what > >There is no truth in this rumour. The 3B2/400 is not being discontinued. Better check with your AT&T rep. I was told TODAY that the 3b5 is no longer supported: meaning that the current rev level of System V.3 won't run on it. We have a 3b5 which will soon migrate to a 3b15. The 3b15 will be around for awhile. Furthermore, the 3b2/300 (which I have on my desk) is no longer supported, and will have to be upgraded to at least a /310 to support Sytstem V.3. By September or so, AT&T is planning to release System V.4 which my rep was sure did not support the /310 (and according to him, the /310 will become a non-supported item by Jan 1989). The new 3b2/700 will use the larger box design of the /500 and /600, thereby making the /400 the "baby" of the family. Also, the 3b4000 will be out by the end of this year, and we should see a SPARC box from AT&T. Hence, we're planning to upgrade the 3b5 to a 3b15 and the 3b2/300's to 3b2/500's (otherwise, we'll have to upgrade again around October). >Even the 3B2/310 is still available, though with a l-o-n-g delivery time - >the 400 is effectively the base machine of the 3B range. >3B5's have effectively been superseded (superceded?) by 3B2/600's now, but >the 3B15 is alive and well. Support for the 300, 310, 400, 500, 600, 3B5, >3B15 is also alive and well. >-- Hardware support yes. Software support reflected by current releases of UNIX System V.3... well, for the 3b2/400, /500, /600, and 3b15, yes... otherwise, no. But, I sure don't intend to get rid of my 3b2/300 (until I can upgrade it to a /500... probably in time for System V.4 :-) >Tony Walton, OEM/VAR Division, British Olivetti Ltd., Wellington House, Bert still@cs.scarolina.edu Systems Manager Math/Stat Computation Center University of South Carolina
twh@mibte.UUCP (Tim Hitchcock) (03/24/88)
> >> being discontinued. Is there any truth in this claim and if so, what > > > >There is no truth in this rumour. The 3B2/400 is not being discontinued. > > Better check with your AT&T rep. I was told TODAY that the 3b5 is > no longer supported: meaning that the current rev level of System V.3 won't > run on it. Furthermore, the 3b2/300 (which I have on my desk) is > AT&T has a policy to "support" their products 5 years after they are "MD'd" (Manufacturer Discontinued). It is my understanding that they will "MD" the 3B2/300, 3B2/310 and 3B2/400 sometime soon, making the 3B2/500 (18Mhz WE32100/Dual processor) the entry level 3B2. I don't see the 3B4000 (300 user/44MIPS/24Mhz We32200/MP/20MB/sec BUS) going away for a while.
wcs@ho95e.ATT.COM (Bill.Stewart.<ho95c>) (03/25/88)
In article <407@paisley.ac.uk> swi@uk.ac.paisley.cs (Scott Wilson) writes:
:I read in a magazine the other week that the 3b5/15 and the 2/400's were
:being discontinued. Is there any truth in this claim and if so, what
:support will be available for the machines i have ????
Disclaimer: This is personal comment, not official announcement!
It is NOT true. One of the product managers has said "I wish I knew who
started that rumor so I could kill them retroactively." (Please reread
disclaimer, above.)
What is true is that they had enough in stock that they stopped making new
3B2/400 boxes until the inventory went down, but they have started making
more of them again. The *product* was *not* discontinued.
The 3B2/300 and 3B5 both use the WE 32000 chip set, which is now two
generations old, and the 3B5 MMU really can't hack SVR3, so they won't get
any OS upgrades. They were comparable to a 68000 in speed, i.e.
not very fast. The 3B2/300 is in a small flat desk-top box; the
3B5 is a larger card-cage type machine, which has reasonable I/O
capacity. I'm not sure if they're discontinued or not. They will
continue to be supported for several years, and they use the same
peripherals as the newer models.
The 3B2/310, 3B2/400, and 3B15 use the 32100 chip set at 10MHz and 14MHz,
which is roughly comparable to a 68020 at those speeds; 1-1.5 "MIPS".
The 3B2/400 has a larger box than the /310, with more slots and room for
more disk drives inside the box. They're definitely in production.
The 321SB is a VME-bus single board computer with the 32100 chip set at 18
MHZ (14 MHz also available.) It currently runs SVR3.1.something, with
drivers for many popular I/O boards. (We sell it as a board, rather than
a pre-packaged system, but we'll put you in touch with vendors if you want.)
I don't remember the speed, but it's about 2-2.5 MIPS, and has 1MB of
zero-wait-state RAM on board.
The 3B2/600 use an 18 MHz 32100, with a redesigned memory and I/O system.
Disk and tape peripherals are SCSI-based, and memory uses a 2-way-associative
virtual cache, which gives it about 2.6 MIPS. The 3B2/500 is a cost-reduced
model (3B2/400 box, vcache is optional), giving about 2.1 MIPS.
Things to expect: our 32200 chip set is 2-3 times as fast as the 32100.
One board vendor (Microproject) claims their 32200-based VME board will do
6 MIPS, and will be available real soon. In addition to the 32200 set,
we've licensed SPARC from SUN.
--
# Thanks;
# Bill Stewart, AT&T Bell Labs 2G218, Holmdel NJ 1-201-949-0705 ihnp4!ho95c!wcs
# So we got out our parsers and debuggers and lexical analyzers and various
# implements of destruction and went off to clean up the tty driver...pwy@pyuxe.UUCP (Peyton Yanchurak) (03/26/88)
In article <2552@usceast.UUCP>, still@usceast.UUCP (Bert Still) writes: > no longer supported: meaning that the current rev level of System V.3 won't > run on it. We have a 3b5 which will soon migrate to a 3b15. The 3b15 will > be around for awhile. Furthermore, the 3b2/300 (which I have on my desk) is > no longer supported, and will have to be upgraded to at least a /310 to > support Sytstem V.3. By September or so, AT&T is planning to release System Gee that is strange, I have a 3B2/300 that is running System V Release 3.1 and it AT&T hasn't refused any support calls. Peyton Yanchurak pyuxe!pwy