[comp.sys.att] AT&T 3B1

seth@ptsfa.UUCP (Seth Miller) (12/18/87)

Hi,

O.K.  I realize that this question has probably been asked a
thousand times in these newsgroups, but since I have never
read them before I don't know the answer.  I would really
appreciate any help anyone could give me regarding the following
dilema and please e-mail any answer since I'm sure the whole net
does not want to read this again and again.

I have a chance to purchase a 3B1 with 2MB memory and a 67MB hard disk
for about $1500.  Only that doesn't include the MS-DOS co-processor.
How much does that cost and does it povide true MS-DOS compatability?
Can you also use a graphics card with that (i.e. if I want to do
some desktop publishing.)?  Also, it doesn't include the OS, however,
my friend who can get it for me can probably throw in an OS at no
charge.

Any advice?  I've been looking at some 286 clones for around $1800 
including graphics cards and I can't decide what to do.  I plan to
do some private consulting and unfortunately most small business (to 
whom I want to consult) uses MS-DOS machines.  If I do buy the 3B1 I
need to do so within a few days.

HELP!!!!

Thanks.
Seth Miller
(415)823-5391
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wtm@neoucom.UUCP (Bill Mayhew) (12/20/87)

We have the DOS 73 card on a PC7300 at work.  While it does work,
it is abominably slow.  The only graphics offered are simulated
Hercules monochrome.  The DOS 73 card hangs on a lot of stuff that
doen't use graphics.  The DOS 73 card is also expensive (typically
around $US 800).

If you have desk space that permits, a clone machine that includes
CPU, monitor, keyboard and IBM-compatible slots is a much better
use of the 800 bucks.

This is in contrast to the PC6300+ that offers a quite nifty
integrated DOS environment from Locus.

--Bill

ray3rd@ssc-vax.UUCP (Ray E Saddler III) (03/31/88)

Hello;
	I'm hoping to help someone find a solution to the following
	scenerio:

	Steve has an AT&T 3B1 running UNIX SYSV 3.0, and has written
	some files in the DOS-73 System.  He wants to copy the files
	to the UNIX System area.

	The UNIX filesystem has a directory called /usr/bin/DOS with
	the following files in it:

	File name	Byte size
	============	============
	COMMAND.COM	23210
	DOS-73		129846
	DOS-73.sh	485
	DOSapple	69124
	DOSconfig	70980
	DOSdisk		79284
	DOSformat	3926
	DOSformat.sh	1146
	DOSinstall	72470
	DOSremove	72174
	MS-DOS		50944
	MS-DOSRM	50688
	dc73.h		2611
	dvd001		15360000

	Helpful tips and solutions copying DOS files onto the UNIX
	filesystem will be greatly appreciated.

	- Thank You -


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les@chinet.UUCP (Leslie Mikesell) (04/02/88)

In article <1821@ssc-vax.UUCP> ray3rd@ssc-vax.UUCP (Ray E Saddler III) writes:
>Hello;
>	some files in the DOS-73 System.  He wants to copy the files
>	to the UNIX System area.

Go through Session Configuration for the DOS-73 system and assign a drive
to "unix".  Files copied to that drive will be in the normal unix
file system.  The limitation is that you cannot execute programs from
there (at least I can't) and you can only have 3 files open at once
on that drive.

  Les Mikesell
                      ...ihnp4!chinet!les

lenny@icus.UUCP (Lenny Tropiano) (04/04/88)

In article <1821@ssc-vax.UUCP> ray3rd@ssc-vax.UUCP (Ray E Saddler III) writes:
|>Hello;
|>	I'm hoping to help someone find a solution to the following
|>	scenerio:
|>
|>	Steve has an AT&T 3B1 running UNIX SYSV 3.0, and has written
|>	some files in the DOS-73 System.  He wants to copy the files
|>	to the UNIX System area.
|>
...
|>	Helpful tips and solutions copying DOS files onto the UNIX
|>	filesystem will be greatly appreciated.
|>

Well the DOS-73 coprocessor nicely handles the UNIX Volume.  If you
have the AT&T UNIX PC DOS Coprocessor "Alloy DOS-73(tm)" User's Guide
I point you to page 7-4.  If not here's how you would go about doing that.

First you need to go to "Session Configuration" off the DOS-73 option
from the User Agent.  Then Select 2 drives (if you have one DOS, and the
other one will be UNIX).  If you want more DOS drives, you can select
3 (ie.  add 1 to the # of DOS drives you want).  Then you get to a page
that should say:

	C:			dvd001
	D:			unix 

This says that the virtual drive "C:" will be dvd001, and the D: drive
will be the UNIX drive.  This makes it very easy to export files from
the DOS virtual drives to the UNIX filesystem.  There are special contrains
about file structure (ie. CRLF, and number of open files), but that is
detailed in the manual.

Now you can from the C: drive do:

C> D:
D> CD \Filecabinet		<- go to your Filecabinet directory
D> C:
C> COPY *.* D:

There go you!

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res@ihlpe.ATT.COM (Rich Strebendt, AT&T-DSG @ Indian Hill West) (04/05/88)

In article <1821@ssc-vax.UUCP>, ray3rd@ssc-vax.UUCP (Ray E Saddler III) writes:
> 	Steve has an AT&T 3B1 running UNIX SYSV 3.0, and has written
> 	some files in the DOS-73 System.  He wants to copy the files
> 	to the UNIX System area.
> 
> 	Helpful tips and solutions copying DOS files onto the UNIX
> 	filesystem will be greatly appreciated.

This is a very easy thing to do.

First, from the Session Configuration menu under the DOS-73 Utilities
menue, define a drive (say, e:) with the name unix (all lowercase).

Next, start up a DOS-73 session and copy the files from where ever to
drive e:.

When you return to UNIX you will find the files in your Filecabinet
directory.  They will have ^M characters at the end of each line, but
these characters are easy to get rid of in vi (as was discussed on the
net at great length some time ago).

				Rich Strebendt
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