[comp.sys.att] TeX for the 3b1

mark@jhereg.Jhereg.MN.ORG (Mark H. Colburn) (05/26/88)

A while back, someone was offering a complete version of TeX which had
been ported to the 3b1.  If my memory serves, this included a
previewer and a bunch of printers supported, including Epsons,
Imagewriters, etc.  I would be grateful for any information about
this.
-- 
Mark H. Colburn           mark@jhereg.Jhereg.MN.ORG
                          ..!ihnp4!chinet!jhereg!mark

jms@wzlr.UUCP (Jack Stephens) (06/02/88)

In article <207@jhereg.Jhereg.MN.ORG>, mark@jhereg.Jhereg.MN.ORG (Mark H. Colburn) writes:
> A while back, someone was offering a complete version of TeX which had
> been ported to the 3b1.  If my memory serves, this included a
> previewer and a bunch of printers supported, including Epsons,
> Imagewriters, etc.  I would be grateful for any information about
> this.
> -- 
> Mark H. Colburn           mark@jhereg.Jhereg.MN.ORG
>                           ..!ihnp4!chinet!jhereg!mark

Me too, please.
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fst@mcgp1.UUCP (Skip Tavakkolian) (06/08/88)

In article <33@wzlr.UUCP>, jms@wzlr.UUCP (Jack Stephens) writes:
> In article <207@jhereg.Jhereg.MN.ORG>, mark@jhereg.Jhereg.MN.ORG (Mark H. Colburn) writes:
> > A while back, someone was offering a complete version of TeX which had
> > been ported to the 3b1.  If my memory serves, this included a
> > Mark H. Colburn           mark@jhereg.Jhereg.MN.ORG
> >                           ..!ihnp4!chinet!jhereg!mark
> Me too, please.
> Jack Stephens
> Digital Technology Resources
> {arnold,berick,bert,hodge,jack}!wzlr!jms 

Please send information to me, too.
Please send information to me, too.
Please send information to me, too.
Please send information to me, too.
Please send information to me, too.
Please send information to me, too.

BIG THANKS
Skip Tavakkolian

UUCP	...!uw-beaver!tikal!mcgp1!fst

gmark@ihlpf.ATT.COM (Stewart) (06/10/88)

In article <1367@mcgp1.UUCP>, fst@mcgp1.UUCP (Skip Tavakkolian) writes:
> In article <33@wzlr.UUCP>, jms@wzlr.UUCP (Jack Stephens) writes:
> > In article <207@jhereg.Jhereg.MN.ORG>, mark@jhereg.Jhereg.MN.ORG (Mark H. Colburn) writes:
> > > A while back, someone was offering a complete version of TeX which had
> Please send information to me, too.

OKAY!  SOUNDS GREAT!  But what is TeX?  What's it do better than
anything else?  Is it a fast food?  Does it support 24-pin printers
and is it better than emacs and vi and nroff?  BIG THANKS to the
first 23 people that make me an informed netnews reader and hacker!

				- Mark

				G. Mark Stewart
				ATT_BTL, Naperville, Ill. ix1g266
				ixlpq!gms (312)979-0914
				(please include phone in response)

jeff@cullsj.UUCP (Jeffrey C. Fried) (06/11/88)

In article <207@jhereg.Jhereg.MN.ORG>, mark@jhereg.Jhereg.MN.ORG (Mark H. Colburn) writes:
> A while back, someone was offering a complete version of TeX which had
> been ported to the 3b1.  If my memory serves, this included a
> previewer and a bunch of printers supported, including Epsons,
> Imagewriters, etc.  I would be grateful for any information about
> this.
> -- 
> Mark H. Colburn           mark@jhereg.Jhereg.MN.ORG
>                           ..!ihnp4!chinet!jhereg!mark

   Me too!  In particular i need examples of drivers which utilize the
"gf" format files.

hartman@uiucdcsm.cs.uiuc.edu (06/12/88)

In article <207@jhereg.Jhereg.MN.ORG>, mark@jhereg.Jhereg.MN.ORG (Mark H. Colburn) writes:
> A while back, someone was offering a complete version of TeX which had
> been ported to the 3b1.  If my memory serves, this included a
> previewer and a bunch of printers supported, including Epsons,
> Imagewriters, etc.  I would be grateful for any information about
> this.
> -- 
> Mark H. Colburn           mark@jhereg.Jhereg.MN.ORG
>                           ..!ihnp4!chinet!jhereg!mark

I am also interested, mainly in the previewer and additional printer support
(the latest version of TeX itself compiles quite nicely on the 3b1).

-- 
Mark Hartman                      hartman@a.cs.uiuc.edu
                                  ..ihnp4!uiucdcs!hartman

jbm@uncle.UUCP (John B. Milton) (06/12/88)

(lots of Ins...)
>> > A while back, someone was offering a complete version of TeX which had
>> > been ported to the 3b1.  If my memory serves, this included a
>> > Mark H. Colburn           mark@jhereg.Jhereg.MN.ORG
>> >                           ..!ihnp4!chinet!jhereg!mark
(lots of me toos)

Me too!

John
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gnews@gnosys.UUCP (Gary S. Trujillo ) (06/14/88)

In article <7600008@uiucdcsm> hartman@uiucdcsm.cs.uiuc.edu writes:
>
>In article <207@jhereg.Jhereg.MN.ORG>, mark@jhereg.Jhereg.MN.ORG (Mark H. Colburn) writes:
>> A while back, someone was offering a complete version of TeX which had
>> been ported to the 3b1.  If my memory serves, this included a
>> previewer and a bunch of printers supported, including Epsons,
>> Imagewriters, etc.  I would be grateful for any information about
>> this.
>> -- 
>> Mark H. Colburn           mark@jhereg.Jhereg.MN.ORG
>>                           ..!ihnp4!chinet!jhereg!mark

Well, folks, I don't now and never have run TeX, but I am an incurable packrat.
Here's a slightly edited dump of what I happened to have lying around on the
subject.  Hope it helps!

	Gary

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From: elh@vu-vlsi.UUCP (Edward L. Hepler)
Newsgroups: unix-pc.general,comp.sys.att
Subject: UNIX/PC tex, latex, and previewer
Keywords: TeX, LaTeX, UNIX/PC 7300
Message-ID: <1094@vu-vlsi.UUCP>
Date: 29 Aug 87 02:11:39 GMT
Organization: Villanova Univ. EE Dept.

I have ported the C version of TeX (and of course LaTeX) to my 3b1.

I have also generated a previewer based on Nelson Beebe's dvi drivers
and a texview program posted to the net a while back.  This version of
the previewer uses either the pk, gf, or pxl format fonts and attempts
to substitute something reasonable when a particular font can't be found.
I currently only use the pk format (for obvious disk space reasons).
I have also ported the previewer to a Sun 3, but it needs a bit more 
work before I would consider it usable and friendly.
The user can see approximately half of a page when using the UNIX/PC
version and an entire page when using the SUN version.  Of course
commands exist to move the page around on the screen to view hidden
parts.

I imagine that a few (if not a lot) of those on the net with UNIX/PCs
would like a copy of this.  The problem I have is that the C version
of TeX source, previewer source, etc consumes 7 Meg of disk space 
(uncompressed) while the macros and 5 magnifications of the computer
modern font set (in pk format) takes another 4 Megs.  The executable
of the previewer and virtex take about a half a Meg.  I never got
an undump to work on the UNIX/PC so my call to tex or latex is simply
a shell script that calls virtex and loads the appropriate format file.

I am looking for suggestions on how to get this info into interested
party's hands.  I don't really want to have to handle hundreds of floppies
from people and my only phone line into my machine is also my home voice
line (anyone want to donate another line :-) ).  I think posting the
source and everything else necessary to make it work would be unworkable?.

I'll listen for suggestions for about a week before deciding how to 
proceed.  Please let me know what you think.....

Thanks,

Dr. Ed Hepler
elh@vu-vlsi

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From: jdc@naucse.UUCP (John Campbell)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.att
Subject: 3b1 TeX
Keywords: Hepler
Message-ID: <564@naucse.UUCP>
Date: 10 Feb 88 13:27:53 GMT
Organization: Northern Arizona University, Flagstaff, AZ

I feel a responsibility to respond to pjh@hao, but uucp doesn't
seem to feel the same way.  This netter saw a remark I made about
TeX on my 3b1:

Yes TeX lives on 3b1s!  Dr. Edward L. Hepler did a port and offered
Common TeX and some drivers (plus a 3b1 previewer).  It was too large
to post, so he requested that you send him 12 formatted floppies. 

It has been a while since he made the offer; you should contact him 
to see if he is still "in the business".  (Maybe he's reading this 
and can post a follow up, since at least one 3b1 user was unaware of 
the offer.)

If you work with TeX and have a 3b1, I'd like to keep in touch.  I'm
trying to decide if I should buy a NEC P6 24pin printer.  (Since I can't
reach pjh, maybe someone else wants to start a TeX email correspondence :-).

   Dr. Edward L. Hepler
   Adj. Prof.  (VLSI Design and Advanced Computer Architecture)
   E.E. Dept.
   Villanova University
   elh@vu-vlsi

Cheers.

-- 
	John Campbell               ...!arizona!naucse!jdc

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From: rosalia@mozart.UUCP (Mark Galassi)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.att
Subject: Re: 3b1 TeX (available via anonymous FTP)
Keywords: TeX, ftp
Message-ID: <11@mozart.UUCP>
Date: 14 Feb 88 16:11:52 GMT
References: <564@naucse.UUCP>
Reply-To: rosalia@mozart.UUCP (Mark Galassi)
Organization: Mark Galassi Research, Stony Brook, New York.

In article <564@naucse.UUCP> jdc@naucse.UUCP (John Campbell) writes:
>Yes TeX lives on 3b1s!  Dr. Edward L. Hepler did a port and offered
>Common TeX and some drivers (plus a 3b1 previewer).  It was too large
>to post, so he requested that you send him 12 formatted floppies. 

I got the package from Ed, and I am willing to make it available via
anonymous ftp from "noether.sunysb.edu".  Before I do that, I need to
know if anyone who uses UNIX PCs has arpanet access.  Please
send me mail if you have arpanet access and would like TeX for the
3B1; or if you have an estimate that lots of other UNIX PC owners
have this.

In passing:  the TeX port works nicely, the previewer is a bit
strange though.  Probably because it tries to fit things on the
monitor which has a funny resolution, and it also tries to match
up fonts with the UNIX PC fonts.
-- 
						Mark Galassi
					...!icus!mozart!rosalia

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From: elh@vu-vlsi.UUCP (Edward L. Hepler)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.att
Subject: Re: 3b1 TeX (available via anonymous FTP)
Keywords: TeX, ftp
Message-ID: <1361@vu-vlsi.UUCP>
Date: 16 Feb 88 21:31:53 GMT
References: <564@naucse.UUCP> <11@mozart.UUCP>
Organization: Villanova Univ. EE Dept.

No, the previewer does not use the UNIX PC fonts.  There are fonts which
have been generated using metafont for the UNIX PC previewer package.  The 
base for the metafont generation was calculated from the 3b1 monitor specs. Some
of those look strange (compared to what they will look like coming from a
laser printer) due to the low bit density (bit pitch) of the 3b1 monitor.
It does substitute in a font of a different size if the required font size
is not present on the system....

Ed Hepler
elh@vu-vlsi

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From: hartman@uiucdcsm.cs.uiuc.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.att
Subject: Re: 3b1 TeX (available via anonymou
Message-ID: <7600005@uiucdcsm>
Date: 20 Feb 88 21:14:00 GMT
References: <11@mozart.UUCP>


>/* ---------- "Re: 3b1 TeX (available via anonymou" ---------- */
...
> I got the package from Ed, and I am willing to make it available via
> anonymous ftp from "noether.sunysb.edu".  Before I do that, I need to
> know if anyone who uses UNIX PCs has arpanet access.  Please
> send me mail if you have arpanet access and would like TeX for the
> 3B1; or if you have an estimate that lots of other UNIX PC owners
> have this.
...
>						Mark Galassi
>					...!icus!mozart!rosalia

Has anyone been able to to get this yet?  I can't seem to find the
host "noether.sunysb.edu", and mail I sent to the address given above
got bounced back.

Anybody had better luck?  Could someone send me the internet number
of "noether"?

---------------------------------------------------
Mark Hartman                  ihnp4!uiucdcs!hartman
                              hartman@m.cs.uiuc.edu

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From: hartman@uiucdcsm.cs.uiuc.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.att
Subject: Re: ftp access for TeX?
Message-ID: <7600006@uiucdcsm>
Date: 9 Mar 88 05:06:00 GMT
References: <4500008@uicsgva>


/* Written 10:11 am  Mar  1, 1988 by tobin@uicsgva.UUCP in uiucdcsm:comp.sys.att */
/* ---------- "ftp access for TeX?" ---------- */

	Last February 21st, Mark Galassi posted a note saying he would
	be willing to make TeX available to those with ftp access to
	arpanet.  Unfortunately, I cannot seem to find the net address
	of the host "noether.sunysb.edu", and mail I sent to Mark
	was bounced back to me.  Does anyone know the net address for
	noether, or have a better mail address for Mark?  I would
	appreciate any help, as we are quite anxious to get TeX up on
	our 3b1's!   Thanks,

		Paul Tobin
		Dept. of Electrical Engineering
		University of Illinois
		tobin@bach.csg.uiuc.edu

/* End of text from uiucdcsm:comp.sys.att */

The internet number for noether.sunysb.edu is 129.49.4.4, but as far
as I know the sources are not there.  I have also had problems
sending mail to Mark Galassi.  So Mark, if you are out there,
add another vote for making TeX available!

-- 
Mark Hartman                 hartman@a.cs.uiuc.edu
                             ihnp4!uiucdcs!hartman

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From: dquah@e5274b.UUCP (Danny Quah)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.att,comp.sys.mac,comp.text
Subject: printers to do TeX(tures) output, 3b1, Mac
Keywords: TeX, non PostScript, 3b1, Mac
Message-ID: <170@e5274b.UUCP>
Date: 4 Apr 88 01:06:09 GMT
Organization: Economics MIT

I run TeXtures (Kellerman-Smith) on a Mac Plus, as well Ed Hepler's
port of TeX proper to the AT&T 3b1. I am wondering what the net's
experience has been with non Post Script (tm) laser printers off of
both these machines, specifically with printing TeX output. What would
be especially nice is a printer that can be driven by both the 3b1 as
well as the Mac Plus. (TeXtures prints ok on an Imagewriter I, so
clearly it's comfortable with QuickDraw).

	There may not be sufficient interest on the net with this kind
of overlap, so please mail and I will summarize.

	Any makers of non Post Script (tm) laser printers on the net
reading this?
-- 
--Danny
dquah@dolphin.mit.edu; e5274b!dquah@eddie.mit.edu (617) 253-0914.
Dept. of Economics MIT, E52-274b, Cambridge MA 02139.
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lenny@icus.UUCP (Lenny Tropiano) (06/15/88)

In article <34@gnosys.UUCP> gst@gnosys.UUCP (Gary S. Trujillo) writes:
|>
|>Well, folks, I don't now and never have run TeX, but I am an incurable 
|>packrat. Here's a slightly edited dump of what I happened to have lying 
|>around on the subject.  Hope it helps!
|>
|>	Gary
|>
... [ even editted more ] ...
|>
|>From: rosalia@mozart.UUCP (Mark Galassi)
|>Subject: Re: 3b1 TeX (available via anonymous FTP)
|>Organization: Mark Galassi Research, Stony Brook, New York.
|>
|>I got the package from Ed, and I am willing to make it available via
|>anonymous ftp from "noether.sunysb.edu".  Before I do that, I need to
|>know if anyone who uses UNIX PCs has arpanet access.  Please
|>send me mail if you have arpanet access and would like TeX for the
|>3B1; or if you have an estimate that lots of other UNIX PC owners
|>have this.

The TeX port is not up on FTP at noether.sunysb.edu because Mark is
on vacation in Italy until September.  I do have his copies of diskettes,
although I haven't had the chance to even copy them for myself.  Like
Gary said, TeX is big, and at icus disk space is quite limited lately.

I would check with Edward L. Hepler (elh@vu-vlsi.UUCP) since he was
making it available for users a while ago if you mailed him the disks,
$10 preparation fee, etc...  If this fails, I might be able to work
something similar... Try Ed first, then try me..

-Lenny

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randy@umn-cs.cs.umn.edu (Randy Orrison) (06/15/88)

If anyone could get a copy of the package to me, i could make it available
for anonymous FTP at site ux.acss.umn.edu [128.101.63.2].  Is anonymous FTP
useful to any decent number of Unix-pc users?  Reply to me via E-mail if
you want me to make this available, or if you could get a copy to me.
If someone wants me to ship them disks to get a copy, i suppose i could do
that, though i'd prefer to be able to ftp it from somewhere.  (Could you
put it up at icus long enough for me to get it?)

	-randy

randy@umn-cs.cs.umn.edu (Randy Orrison) (06/15/88)

Somebody stole my .sig!   here it is...

Randy Orrison, Control Data, Arden Hills, MN		randy@ux.acss.umn.edu
8-(OSF/Mumblix: Just say NO!)-8	    {ihnp4, seismo!rutgers, sun}!umn-cs!randy
	"I consulted all the sages I could find in Yellow Pages,
	but there aren't many of them."			-APP

Warning: the ihnp4 path is obsolescent. (if not already obsolete)

Note: this has nothing to do with control data, i just work there...

harv@ksuvax1.cis.ksu.edu (Harvard Townsend) (06/24/88)

In article <207@jhereg.Jhereg.MN.ORG>, mark@jhereg.Jhereg.MN.ORG (Mark H. Colburn) writes:
> A while back, someone was offering a complete version of TeX which had
> been ported to the 3b1.  If my memory serves, this included a
> previewer and a bunch of printers supported, including Epsons,
> Imagewriters, etc.  I would be grateful for any information about
> this.

This is available from the u3g (University System V User's Group) toolchest
on the 3 hub machines (including hub.cs.uiuc.edu).  The tool name is ctex.
I have also put it on one of our machines for anonymous FTP.  Machine name
is hotel.cis.ksu.edu (129.130.10.12).  The files are in pub/toolchest/ctex.
They are in compressed cpio format, taking up about 3 Meg.  Source is
included, along with the previewer.
-- 
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CIS Dept., Kansas State University
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UUCP:   {ihnp4,cbatt,dcdwest}!ncr-sd!ncrwic!ksuvax1!harv

gmark@ihlpf.ATT.COM (Stewart) (06/26/88)

In article <320@ksuvax1.cis.ksu.edu>, harv@ksuvax1.cis.ksu.edu (Harvard Townsend) writes:
> > A while back, someone was offering a complete version of TeX which had
> This is available from the u3g (University System V User's Group) toolchest
> on the 3 hub machines (including hub.cs.uiuc.edu).  The tool name is ctex.
...
> is hotel.cis.ksu.edu (129.130.10.12).  The files are in pub/toolchest/ctex.
How would someone without access to any of those machines get a copy?
Send some floppies to someone?  Also, not having used TeX, is there a
quick reference available to be able to try it out?
Thanks in advance.

				- Mark

				G. Mark Stewart
				ATT_BTL, Naperville, Ill. ix1g266
				ixlpq!gms (312)979-0914
				(please include phone in response)

carl@juniper.uucp (Carl Gustav Johnson) (07/06/88)

I forgot who I got it from from, but it is, I'm told, public domain.
It works fair for previewing.  Doesn't have any kind of dot matrix
support that I have found.  (Any one got dvi to dotmatrix gidget?)
I don't have time to make copies of all 12 discs for all that want it, but
if the person who asked for it and voluntered to allow anyone to log in 
and get it would send me 12 discs (formated please) I will make a 
set and return them.  Return postage enclosed would be appreciated.
I'm in my last semester of school and am quite broke having gotten
this computer!  

BOX MAIL ADDRESS
Carl Johnson
3600 Greystone #521
Austin, TX
78731
PHONE (512) 343-1061

NOTE: I am moving out on the 31'st of July to Houston so if you'r
quick we can get it done before hand.  Otherwise a wait until I get
back on the net will be required.