randy@umn-cs.cs.umn.edu (Randy Orrison) (07/20/88)
I just found this on my Unix-pc... It appears to be part of the documenters
workbench. The problem is that the drivers for the programs are not there.
E.g. style(1) is a shell script /usr/bin/style which uses the style[123]
programs. I have no idea what the nd*, pa*, and sbj? files are for. Can
someone tell me if it's possible to get the drivers so I can use these?
(oh, this is straight 3.51 installation)
/usr/lib/dwb:
deroff* pages* sbj1* sbjprep* style3*
ndexer* parts* sbj2* style1*
ndxformat* samples/ sbj3* style2*
Oh, another topic... I would like to be able to delete the user agent from
my system. I have written a script which formats floppies, and I'm in the
process of hacking up the Install.sh and Instcpio.sh scripts so they don't
expect to be in ua. What other things should I save or just remember when
I delete ua and all of /usr/lib/ua?
Thanks in advance!
-randy
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Randy Orrison, Control Data, Arden Hills, MN
randy@ux.acss.umn.edu {bungia, uunet!hi-csc, rutgers, sun}!umn-cs!randy
"I consulted all the sages I could find in Yellow Pages,
but there aren't many of them." -APPrusty@hodge.UUCP (Rusty Hodge) (07/22/88)
If you are gonna nuke the UA, like I have so proudly done, remember to keep /usr/lib/ua/phipd (or is it phupd? I can't remember). It is a support file for the phone manager (If you want to still use that.) In fact, I think even phclr blows up if it can't find that. A lot of the User Agent scripts can be easily modified to be useful in a non-UA environment. The easiest thing to do is replace the 'mesg' command, which puts a window up and then echos that, then says touch enter to continue or something like that, with 'echo'. It has ben so long ago, I forget the details. Also, you can kill off the smgr and just use 'cron' instead. I do. Smgr wants to create all these annoying directories (so does ph). I don't want those annoying directories. I don't even use the window manager. It is not that the window manager is evil (I think it is the only decent part of the UA stuff) but rather that it was one of the first things to go when I started UA-related stuff. :-> -- Rusty Hodge, HCR Inc, 1588 N. Batavia St. Orange, CA 92667 (714) 974-6300 rusty@hodge.cts.com [uunet vdelta crash]!hodge!rusty FAX (714) 921-8038
oscar@sunspot.UUCP (Oscar Von der Luhe) (07/22/88)
In article <683@hodge.UUCP> rusty@hodge.UUCP (Rusty Hodge) writes: > >If you are gonna nuke the UA, like I have so proudly done, remember to keep >/usr/lib/ua/phipd ... [lots of detail on "what happens when" deleted] Can anybody who has gone through this indicate how much disk space is freed up? I have a 7300 with a 20MB HD and I am 95% full. __ _ / ') / / _// / / / _ /_ __. __ , __________ __/ _ __ / . . /_ _ (__/ /_)_/ <_(_/|_/ (_ \/ (_) / / <_ (_/_</_/ (_ /___ (_/_/ /_</_ "... habe nun, ach ..., C, PASCAL, BASIC, und leider auch FORTRAN, studiert mit heissem Bemueh'n..." (frei nach Goethe) UUCP: {arizona,decvax,hao,ihnp4}!noao!sunspot!oscar Internet: ovonderluhe@noao.arizona.edu
alex@umbc3.UMD.EDU (Alex S. Crain) (07/24/88)
Nuking the UA involves deleting /usr/lib/UA/*, /usr/bin/[A-Z]* (These are all UA scripts), and a host of other silly things that wont work without the UA like /u/Install/*, /u/tutor/*, etc. Space saved is about a megabyte. -- :alex. Systems Programmer nerwin!alex@umbc3.umd.edu UMBC alex@umbc3.umd.edu
rrr@naucse.UUCP (Bob Rose ) (07/25/88)
In article <1105@umbc3.UMD.EDU>, alex@umbc3.UMD.EDU (Alex S. Crain) writes: > Nuking the UA involves deleting /usr/lib/UA/*, > /usr/bin/[A-Z]* (These are all UA scripts), and a host of other silly things > that wont work without the UA like /u/Install/*, /u/tutor/*, etc. Space saved > is about a megabyte. So alex, what else must be done??? What files do you have to edit to get cron going instead of the window manager, phone manager, and bla bla bla. Do you have some shell scripts to do backup (yes I still use the ua for that (sigh).) When the phone manager is dead is there any trouble with outgoing calls (or does it work better 8*) How about when AT&T sends out updates and patches (dont laugh, it may happen 8*) -bob
alex@umbc3.UMD.EDU (Alex S. Crain) (07/25/88)
In article <815@naucse.UUCP> rrr@naucse.UUCP (Bob Rose ) writes: >In article <1105@umbc3.UMD.EDU>, alex@umbc3.UMD.EDU (Alex S. Crain) writes: >> Nuking the UA involves deleting /usr/lib/UA/*, >So alex, what else must be done??? What files do you have to edit to get >cron going instead of the window manager, phone manager, and bla bla bla. I still use the window manager and smgr, I dont remember what the phone manager does. If you blow away /usr/lib/UA, you lose the UA command, (ie the window shell) and easy access to some of the programs like the MSDOS stuff. The programs are still there, in /usr/bin[A-Z]*, and if you want to use them you have to figure out what the command line arguments are. I saved the DOS stuff and the RS232 port stuff, along with their related window driver scripts somewhere on a disk in case I ever what to use them. I posted this because even though I don't use the UA, and never have, the driver files hung around my system for months eating disk space (close to a meg). That space might prove useful for someone with a small machine who doesn't use the UA. wmgr and smgr are not related to the UA, the UA is a shell interface that runs over the top of the system. I don't know about the phone manager, But I think that it is a UA based application, and probably will complain it the UA is not present. -- :alex. Systems Programmer nerwin!alex@umbc3.umd.edu UMBC alex@umbc3.umd.edu
ford@elgar.UUCP (Mike "Ford" Ditto) (07/26/88)
In article <683@hodge.UUCP> rusty@hodge.UUCP (Rusty Hodge) writes: >Also, you can kill off the smgr and just use 'cron' instead. I do. Cron's work is just part of what smgr does. Instead of smgr, I run cron, update, and errdemon all the time, and usually run icus!lenny's sysinfo program when I'm logged in (I modified it to display the date & time). Conveniently, cron and update are supplied with the Unix PC, but errdemon wasn't. I wrote a simple version, available for the asking. Trivia: the write(1) command sends messages to a user logged in on the console by *WRITING* to /dev/error and letting smgr put the pop-up window on the screen. Somebody at CT was on drugs when they came up with *that* idea. -=] Ford [=- "The number of Unix installations (In Real Life: Mike Ditto) has grown to 10, with more expected." ford@kenobi.cts.com - The Unix Programmer's Manual, ...!sdcsvax!crash!elgar!ford 2nd Edition, June, 1972.
rusty@hodge.UUCP (Rusty Hodge) (07/26/88)
In article <815@naucse.UUCP>, rrr@naucse.UUCP (Bob Rose ) writes: > What files do you have to edit to get > cron going instead of the window manager, phone manager, and bla bla bla. Here is what I have done to my /etc/rc file. I keep a copy of the original for just incase AT&T sends me a update :-> --------------Cut here---------- if [ -z "$1" ] then cd /etc/lddrv ./mkifile /unix unix.syma cmp -s unix.sym unix.syma if [ $? != 0 ] then mv unix.syma unix.sym rm -f wind fi sync > /etc/drvtab sync if [ ! "`grep wdinit unix.sym`" ] then ./lddrv -av wind > /tmp/.winload 2>/tmp/.winload || ( echo Window driver did not load because: > /dev/console cat /tmp/.winload > /dev/console exec /bin/sh < /dev/console > /dev/console 2>&1 ) fi exec /bin/sh /etc/rc WINDOWED < /dev/window > /dev/w1 2>&1 fi trap "" 2 rm -f /etc/.extra /etc/.fontload echo "The 3B1 is coming up. Please wait..." mpid=$! TZ=`cat /etc/TZ`;export TZ date date - DATE=`date '+%a %h %d, 19%y %r' ` echo $DATE echo TZ=$TZ PATH=:/bin:/usr/bin:/etc TERM=s4 export PATH TERM stty sane # PERFORM THE FILE SYSTEM CHECKS WITH AUTO-REBOOT IF SYSTEM WAS REPAIRED echo "Performing fsck..." if [ ! -f /etc/LCK.fsck ] then echo "Running first-time automatic fsck -p." touch /etc/LCK.fsck /etc/fsck -p echo "Automatic fsck -p finished." fi rm -f /etc/LCK.fsck #look for lockfile to force a fsck, in case lots of things are wrong. #Pray this never happens. if [ -f /etc/FSCK-FORCE ] then echo "Forced fsck being attempted. THIS IS INTERACTIVE." rm -f /etc/FSCK-FORCE /etc/fsck fi #Keep old drive logs around if you are sentimental cat /usr/adm/drv.log >> /etc/old.drv.log rm -f /usr/adm/drv.log if [ -x /etc/.drvload ] then echo "Loading drivers..." kill $mpid > /dev/null 2>&1 mpid=$! /etc/.drvload fi if [ -s /etc/.version ] then setuname -v `cat /etc/.version` fi # was fi[ originally. Why? #Another mysterious AT&T original /etc/rc whatever: cat > /etc/.extra <<END xxx END # Kill off last forked off window kill $mpid if [ ! -r /etc/.installdate ] then /etc/.firstrc fi TZ=`cat /etc/TZ` # IF USER CHANGED THE TIME ZONE AND REBOOTED THE SYSTEM THEN .INSTALLDATE # WILL BE EMPTY AT THIS POINT. WE MUST CALL .FIRSTRC ONE MORE TIME TO # COMPLETE THE SCRIPT if [ ! -s /etc/.installdate ] then /etc/.firstrc fi echo "Setting up screen..." kill $mpid mpid=$! # THERE ARE SEVERAL FILES WHICH START VARIOUS DAEMONS AND PERFORM # ASSORTED TASKS. IF THEY ARE PRESENT AND EXECUTABLE, RUN THEM! echo "Starting Daemons..." # /etc/namesys executes either setuname or slaninit depending on whether # STARLAN is installed for i in .cleanup .cronstart .lpstartsched .syncstart namesys .phinit .modeminit ph do echo "Starting $i" /etc/$i done # The phone manager should be started. You can then kill it... but some things # need to be initialized by it. /etc/cron & # any additional daemons (such as slan initialization) # can be put in /etc/daemons, and will be executed without # changing /etc/rc. Each should be run in the background. if [ -d /etc/daemons ] then DAEMONS=`ls /etc/daemons/*` if [ $? != 0 ] ; then DAEMONS=""; fi for i in $DAEMONS do echo $i if [ -x $i ] then nohup $i > /dev/null 2>&1 & fi done fi # If a screen time out has been selected, then set it. if [ -s /etc/.blanktime ] then scrset `cat /etc/.blanktime` fi # Clean up pnet files # If you aren't running P-net, you won't need these lines... rm -f /usr/spool/uucp/LCK.* /usr/lib/pnet/pnet.who rm -f /usr/lib/pnet/talk/talk?.who /usr/lib/pnet/talk/talk.* rm -f /usr/spool/uucp/STST* # Kill last window kill $mpid ---------------cut here------------------ I hope this was of some educational value. > Do you have some shell scripts to do backup (yes I still use the ua for > that (sigh).) You can use the original scripts for the most part. > When the phone manager is dead is there any trouble > with outgoing calls (or does it work better 8*) If you never start the phone manager, you will most likely default to pulse dialing mode. This is the only problem I know of. However, I think someone posted a new version of the .phinit script: /etc/phupd ph1 DATA YES NO NO Which tells the system that you are using DATA line 2 and touch tone. -- Rusty Hodge, HCR Inc, 1588 N. Batavia St. Orange, CA 92667 (714) 974-6300 rusty@hodge.cts.com [uunet vdelta crash]!hodge!rusty FAX (714) 921-8038
davek@heurikon.UUCP (Dave Klann) (07/28/88)
In article <216@elgar.UUCP> ford@elgar.UUCP (Mike "Ford" Ditto) writes: >Trivia: the write(1) command sends messages to a user logged in on the >console by *WRITING* to /dev/error and letting smgr put the pop-up >window on the screen. Somebody at CT was on drugs when they came up >with *that* idea. > > -=] Ford [=- No Kidding!!! I almost died when I first discovered that one! I thought about writing my own "windowed" version of write(1), but got sidetracked (as usual). But wait... there's hope! Last week I brought up Jack Bonn's "phone" program. It works great. Just what I was looking for. It was posted to comp.sources.misc. If anyone missed it, and wants it let me know... Here's the Archive info: Posting-number: Volume 3, Issue 86 Submitted-by: "Jack Bonn" <jack@swlabs.UUCP> Archive-name: sys5-phone David Klann ...uwvax!heurikon!davek (at work) ...uwvax!heurikon!grunch!dklann (at home)
aaron@proxftl.UUCP (Aaron Zimmerman) (07/28/88)
In article <933@hodge.UUCP>, rusty@hodge.UUCP (Rusty Hodge) writes: > > Here is what I have done to my /etc/rc file. I keep a copy of the > original for just incase AT&T sends me a update :-> > > --------------Cut here---------- > if [ -z "$1" ] > then > cd /etc/lddrv > ./mkifile /unix unix.syma > cmp -s unix.sym unix.syma > if [ $? != 0 ] > then > mv unix.syma unix.sym > rm -f wind > fi and so on and so forth.. Well, his rc looked better than the one I had running, so I replaced the old with his (actually I still have the old as rc.old, but it doesn't matter because): My system won't boot now. Will someone please tell me what I can do so that it will boot? (I bought my machine used and w/o proper documentation... speaking of which, if anyone can tell me where I can find 3b1 docs, I'd appreciate that much! [AT&T, after referring me through about ten different offices, told me that they don't have it any more.]). Thanks much, and hoping for a quick reply! > I hope this was of some educational value. Yeah, I learned the hard way not to trust software off the net. -UUNET:uflorida!novavax!proxftl!aaron -- Aaron | Proximity Tech. |----------------------------------------| Charles | 3511 NE 22 Ave. | Speaking only for myself, o' course... | Zimmerman | Fort Ladeda, FL |----------------------------------------| ----------------| (3,055,663,511) | (UUCP: uflorida!novavax!proxftl!aaron) |
rusty@hodge.UUCP (Rusty Hodge) (07/31/88)
In article <546@proxftl.UUCP>, aaron@proxftl.UUCP (Aaron Zimmerman) writes: > In article <933@hodge.UUCP>, rusty@hodge.UUCP (Rusty Hodge) writes: > > > > Here is what I have done to my /etc/rc file. I keep a copy of the > > original for just incase AT&T sends me a update :-> My /etc/rc file goes here > > Well, his rc looked better than the one I had running, so I replaced the old > with his (actually I still have the old as rc.old, but it doesn't matter > because): > > My system won't boot now. > > Will someone please tell me what I can do so that it will boot? (I bought my Try booting from the floppy.... > > I hope this was of some educational value. > > Yeah, I learned the hard way not to trust software off the net. WELL, EXCUSE MEEEEE! - Steve Martin The only thing that I can imaging happening is that I edited out some stupid comments. Maybe I induced a typo. Here is my ORIGINAL, unedited, with very silly comments in a few places and some my-system specific things that you can figure out what to remove: if [ -z "$1" ] then cd /etc/lddrv ./mkifile /unix unix.syma cmp -s unix.sym unix.syma if [ $? != 0 ] then mv unix.syma unix.sym rm -f wind fi sync > /etc/drvtab sync if [ ! "`grep wdinit unix.sym`" ] then ./lddrv -av wind > /tmp/.winload 2>/tmp/.winload || ( echo Window driver did not load because: > /dev/console cat /tmp/.winload > /dev/console exec /bin/sh < /dev/console > /dev/console 2>&1 ) fi exec /bin/sh /etc/rc WINDOWED < /dev/window > /dev/w1 2>&1 fi trap "" 2 rm -f /etc/.extra /etc/.fontload echo "The 3B1 is coming up. Please wait..." mpid=$! TZ=`cat /etc/TZ`;export TZ date date - DATE=`date '+%a %h %d, 19%y %r' ` echo $DATE echo TZ=$TZ PATH=:/bin:/usr/bin:/etc TERM=s4 export PATH TERM stty sane # PERFORM THE FILE SYSTEM CHECKS WITH AUTO-REBOOT IF SYSTEM WAS REPAIRED echo "Performing fsck..." if [ ! -f /etc/LCK.fsck ] then echo "Running first-time automatic fsck -p." touch /etc/LCK.fsck /etc/fsck -p echo "Automatic fsck -p finished." fi rm -f /etc/LCK.fsck if [ -f /etc/FSCK-FORCE ] then echo "Forced fsck being attempted. THIS IS INTERACTIVE." echo "PAY ATTENTION STUPID. THIS IS SERIOUS. YOU COULD DIE." rm -f /etc/FSCK-FORCE /etc/fsck echo "Forced fsck finished. You can go back to sleep now." fi cat /usr/adm/drv.log >> /etc/old.drv.log rm -f /usr/adm/drv.log if [ -x /etc/.drvload ] then echo "Loading drivers..." kill $mpid > /dev/null 2>&1 mpid=$! /etc/.drvload fi if [ -s /etc/.version ] then setuname -v `cat /etc/.version` fi # was fi[ cat > /etc/.extra <<END xxx END # Kill off last forked off window kill $mpid if [ ! -r /etc/.installdate ] then /etc/.firstrc fi TZ=`cat /etc/TZ` # IF USER CHANGED THE TIME ZONE AND REBOOTED THE SYSTEM THEN .INSTALLDATE # WILL BE EMPTY AT THIS POINT. WE MUST CALL .FIRSTRC ONE MORE TIME TO # COMPLETE THE SCRIPT if [ ! -s /etc/.installdate ] then /etc/.firstrc fi echo "Setting up screen..." kill $mpid mpid=$! # THERE ARE SEVERAL FILES WHICH START VARIOUS DAEMONS AND PERFORM # ASSORTED TASKS. IF THEY ARE PRESENT AND EXECUTABLE, RUN THEM! echo "Starting Daemons..." # /etc/namesys executes either setuname or slaninit depending on whether # STARLAN is installed for i in .cleanup .cronstart .lpstartsched .syncstart namesys .phinit .modeminit ph do echo "Starting $i" /etc/$i done # The phone manager should be started. You can then kill it... but some things # need to be initialized by it. /etc/cron & # any additional daemons (such as slan initialization) # can be put in /etc/daemons, and will be executed without # changing /etc/rc. Each should be run in the background. if [ -d /etc/daemons ] then DAEMONS=`ls /etc/daemons/*` if [ $? != 0 ] ; then DAEMONS=""; fi for i in $DAEMONS do echo $i if [ -x $i ] then nohup $i > /dev/null 2>&1 & fi done fi # If a screen time out has been selected, then set it. if [ -s /etc/.blanktime ] then scrset `cat /etc/.blanktime` fi # Clean up pnet files rm -f /usr/spool/uucp/LCK.* /usr/lib/pnet/pnet.who rm -f /usr/lib/pnet/talk/talk?.who /usr/lib/pnet/talk/talk.* rm -f /usr/spool/uucp/STST* # Kill last window kill $mpid -- Rusty Hodge, HCR Inc, 1588 N. Batavia St. Orange, CA 92667 (714) 974-6300 rusty@hodge.cts.com [uunet vdelta crash]!hodge!rusty FAX (714) 921-8038
jbm@uncle.UUCP (John B. Milton) (07/31/88)
In article <216@elgar.UUCP> ford@elgar.UUCP (Mike "Ford" Ditto) writes: ... >errdemon wasn't. I wrote a simple version, available for the asking. Please post! The smgr's roll as errdemon was the !! icon stuff? John -- John Bly Milton IV, jbm@uncle.UUCP, n8emr!uncle!jbm@osu-cis.cis.ohio-state.edu home: (614) 294-4823, work: (614) 459-7641; CP/M to MP/M, MS-DOS to OS/2