[comp.sys.att] AT&T System V Rel 3 for 80386

stevens@hsi.UUCP (Richard Stevens) (11/16/88)

I'm interested in obtaining true AT&T System V, Release 3 for
a Compaq 386/20.  I recall reading in this newsgroup that the
version for the 8386 WGS runs fine on the Compaq, and have a
couple of questions:

- where can I order it from ?  cost ?
- what version is the latest release, and is it Release 3.1 or 3.2 ?
- who has a streams-based TCP/IP product for it (Wolongong and
  Lachman, I'd assume) ?  Anyone have any experience with it ?

	Richard Stevens
	Health Systems International, New Haven, CT
	   stevens@hsi.uu.net
           ... { uunet | yale } ! hsi ! stevens

hjespersen@trillium.waterloo.edu (Hans Jespersen) (11/18/88)

In article <1069@hsi.UUCP> stevens@hsi.UUCP (Richard Stevens) writes:
>I'm interested in obtaining true AT&T System V, Release 3 for
>a Compaq 386/20.  I recall reading in this newsgroup that the
>version for the 8386 WGS runs fine on the Compaq, and have a
>couple of questions:

Sure does. In fact, when you first install , it asks you whether you are 
installing on a 6386 or a Compaq 386. Something to do with knowing how
to format the drive I think.

>
>- where can I order it from ?  cost ?
>- what version is the latest release, and is it Release 3.1 or 3.2 ?

The latest release is 386 UNIX SYS V Rel. 3.2 and it includes Xenix
binary compatibility. Available directly from AT&T or any VAR (not to sure
on who's who's in the USA so I won't name names.)

Of course you could also get the similar product from Interactive, Bell Tech
or SCO (UNIX not XENIX)

>- who has a streams-based TCP/IP product for it (Wolongong and
>  Lachman, I'd assume) ?  Anyone have any experience with it ?

Have to pass on this one, anyone else?

>
>	Richard Stevens
>	Health Systems International, New Haven, CT
>	   stevens@hsi.uu.net
>           ... { uunet | yale } ! hsi ! stevens


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fmcgee@cuuxb.ATT.COM (~XT4103000~Frank McGee~C23~M24~6326~) (11/23/88)

In article <9766@watdragon.waterloo.edu> hjespersen@trillium.waterloo.edu (Hans Jespersen) writes:
>In article <1069@hsi.UUCP> stevens@hsi.UUCP (Richard Stevens) writes:
>>I'm interested in obtaining true AT&T System V, Release 3 for
>>a Compaq 386/20.  I recall reading in this newsgroup that the
>>version for the 8386 WGS runs fine on the Compaq, and have a
>>couple of questions:
>
>Sure does. In fact, when you first install , it asks you whether you are 
>installing on a 6386 or a Compaq 386. Something to do with knowing how
>to format the drive I think.

I wouldn't go so far as to say this works in all cases.  There is a
known 80387 hardware bug that may cause process or entire system hangs.
You won't have any problems if you don't have the actual 80387 present
in the machine (ie, the floating point emulators supplied with Unix
don't exhibit the same behavior the actual hardware does).

AT&T has a fix, but it is unique to AT&T hardware.  It is known to NOT
work on a Compaq specifically.  If you have AT&T hardware and need the 
fix, I can email it to you (all you have to do is a little kernel tuning).

Also, there are two fp emulators supplied with Unix System V Rel. 3.2.
/etc/emulator.dflt is an emulator that was developed by Microsoft that
gives better performance than the AT&T emulator.  However, it isn't a
complete emulation (for instance, SCO FoxBase Plus won't run with that
emulator in place).  The other emulator (/etc/emulator.rel1) is the
AT&T emulator, and provides all 80387 functions, but it is slower.  The
default is the Microsoft emulator, but all you have to do to use the
AT&T emulator is link /etc/emulator.rel1 to /etc/emulator and reboot
the machine.

Hope this answers your question.

Frank McGee
Tier 3 Indirect Channel Sales Support
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louis@auvax.UUCP (Louis Schmittroth) (11/27/88)

In article <2224@cuuxb.ATT.COM>, fmcgee@cuuxb.ATT.COM (~XT4103000~Frank McGee~C23~M24~6326~) writes:
< discussion on 386 UNIX from AT&T on Compaq 386 >

I bought the 6386 UNIX SYSTEM V Rel 3 from ELEK-TEK in Lincolnwood, IL,
and have been trying, unsuccessfully, to install it on a Televideo
TELE-386.  The display adapter is a Herc clone, the system has 4MB
of 32 bit memory, with 384K invisible, a Miniscribe 6085 disk (1024
cylinders, 8 r/w heads, 17 sectors per track, and is in the drive
table of the CMOS), the controller is a plain WD 1003 WA2, 1.2MB floppy.
The machine is a 16Mhz 0-wait state 80386.

Status:  I can install both Xenix and DOS successfully.  The low-level
format was done with Disk Manager which came with the disk.  I have also
installed Xenix on two other TELE-386s with no problems.  I MUST have
real AT&T Unix to be compatible with some other 6386 machines in the
building.

Symptom:  N1 reads in and gets to the message: Press ENTER to install
UNIX on the hard disk.  Pressing ENTER gets no response.  Pressing any
other key or combination of keys gets no response.  The program is not
reading the keybd.  

Any suggestions? I tried a different (Herc monochrome) video card
and got the same sudden death.

Suspicion:  There is something different about the TELE-386, or the 
package I got is strictly for the AT&T 6386.  The label on the first
disk is:  1331001-MC06-0319-X Ver 1.0.  The top of the label says it
is 386 UNIX System V Release 3.1.

BTW, I had been lead to believe that I was getting the development set,
but only the foundation set came.

Thanks for any help.
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Louis Schmittroth		           My employer has no opinions.
Computer Science
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hjespersen@trillium.waterloo.edu (Hans Jespersen) (11/28/88)

In article <778@auvax.UUCP> louis@auvax.UUCP (Louis Schmittroth) writes:
>In article <2224@cuuxb.ATT.COM>, fmcgee@cuuxb.ATT.COM (~XT4103000~Frank McGee~C23~M24~6326~) writes:
>< discussion on 386 UNIX from AT&T on Compaq 386 >
>
>I bought the 6386 UNIX SYSTEM V Rel 3 from ELEK-TEK in Lincolnwood, IL,
>and have been trying, unsuccessfully, to install it on a Televideo
>
> [full description of setup deleted]
>
>Suspicion:  There is something different about the TELE-386, or the 
>package I got is strictly for the AT&T 6386.  The label on the first
>disk is:  1331001-MC06-0319-X Ver 1.0.  The top of the label says it
>is 386 UNIX System V Release 3.1.
>
>BTW, I had been lead to believe that I was getting the development set,
>but only the foundation set came.

I would send the whole thing back and get the Release 3.2 Foundation Set.
Release 3.2 has MANY advantages over 3.1 (one of which is it runs on 
machines other than the 6386 ). Simultask 2.0 (VP/ix) is much better
(and faster) than Simultask 1.0. It should be noted that Simultask 2.0
runs only on 386 UNIX System V Release 3.2. In addition, with rel. 3.2
you get XENIX binary compatibility. As for the level of compatibility,
I have successfully managed to install XENIX Oracle and SCO FoxBase+
running under the merged UNIX/XENIX (with only minor tweeks). From 
what you have written it seems that the merged UNIX is a better solution.

Hope this helps.

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