robert@koko.UUCP (Robert Zeff) (03/18/89)
Does anyone know where I can get man pages for the 6386?
Ours came with none!
Thanks,
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In article <915@koko.UUCP> robert@koko.UUCP (Robert Zeff) writes: >Does anyone know where I can get man pages for the 6386? >Ours came with none! >Thanks, I noticed that we we started getting in some 6386's. I checked into it and found that AT&T does not provide man pages with the 386 version of UNIX. I have yet to locate a place to get them.
joel@arizona.edu (Joel M. Snyder) (03/19/89)
Not just 386s, but also 3B2s. To get the man pages which approximate the Unix System V release, we copied them off of a 3B15. Quite frankly, leaving off the man pages (or at least not including them as an "optional" save set) is only the first in a long line of insults to the user. Including that abominable ``usage'' facility in place of man (most common reply from usage: "no information on that command") is the second. Who do they think they're kidding, anyway? jms
john@banzai.UUCP (John Canning) (03/21/89)
In article <915@koko.UUCP> robert@koko.UUCP (Robert Zeff) writes: >Does anyone know where I can get man pages for the 6386? >Ours came with none! When you purchase the AT&T Unix Sys V r3.2 foundation set for the 6386, you should receive a package of 4 manuals, including a user's guide, and admin guide, a reference manual, and info on the face program. When you purchase the C Development set, you receive a programmer's reference manual, and the programmer's guide, along with documentation on streams, and programming with fmli (the face stuff). AT&T does not distributes the man pages on line with their systems.
fmcgee@cuuxb.ATT.COM (~XT6510300~Frank McGee~C23~M24~6326~) (03/22/89)
In article <631@garcon.cso.uiuc.edu> dml00269@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu () writes: >In article <915@koko.UUCP> robert@koko.UUCP (Robert Zeff) writes: >>Does anyone know where I can get man pages for the 6386? >>Ours came with none! I believe what you mean is that they didn't come with machine-readable man pages; your Unix distribution should have come with assorted printed manuals. I don't think on-line man pages are available for 386 Unix. If I hear anything about it I'll post availability info here. On a personal note, I used to love on-line man pages, but now that I use the manual a lot, I prefer the printed manuals. I can find things quicker and more easily, plus it's easier to flip between two or three manual pages in different sections. -- Frank McGee, AT&T Tier 3 Indirect Channel Sales Support attmail!fmcgee
les@chinet.chi.il.us (Leslie Mikesell) (03/23/89)
In article <2624@cuuxb.ATT.COM> fmcgee@cuuxb.UUCP (Frank W. McGee) writes: > >On a personal note, I used to love on-line man pages, but now that I >use the manual a lot, I prefer the printed manuals. I can find things >quicker and more easily, plus it's easier to flip between two or three >manual pages in different sections. >Frank McGee, AT&T I take it that you don't do any work from remote locations, or perhaps you like to cart 50 lb. of manuals around with you. And what about the other users on the machine? Or do you consider the 386 as a single-user computer? Now that disk space is more or less affordable, let's get the manual back on-line. Wouldn't AT&T like to sell everyone the next size larger disk? Les Mikesell
friedl@vsi.COM (Stephen J. Friedl) (03/23/89)
In article <1120@banzai.UUCP>, john@banzai.UUCP (John Canning) writes: > > AT&T does not distributes the man pages on line with their systems. The 3B5, 3B15, and (probably) 3B4000 come with online man pages... Steve -- Stephen J. Friedl / V-Systems, Inc. / Santa Ana, CA / +1 714 545 6442 3B2-kind-of-guy / friedl@vsi.com / {attmail, uunet, etc}!vsi!friedl "I do everything in software, even DMA" - Gary W. Keefe (garyk@telxon)
rwa@aurora.AthabascaU.CA (Ross Alexander) (03/25/89)
In article <7991@chinet.chi.il.us>, les@chinet.chi.il.us (Leslie Mikesell) writes: > [...] Or do you consider the 386 as a single-user > computer? Now that disk space is more or less affordable, let's get the > manual back on-line. Wouldn't AT&T like to sell everyone the next size > larger disk? From my experience, they consider the 3b2/600 a single user computer (no man pages). They _almost_ consider the 3b4000 (a $500,000+ machine) single user - for that, we could get man pages, but not the troff source; just ascii files that had come out the back of nroff. We are 5.3.1 source licensed, btw. I am less than impressed. Ross ps: We bought Fortran XLA from ATT recently, and it came complete with an on-line man page entry - same as above; just something suitable to be copied to a printer. rwa
pss@unh.UUCP (Paul S. Sawyer == paul) (03/30/89)
In article <502@aurora.AthabascaU.CA>, rwa@aurora.AthabascaU.CA (Ross Alexander) writes: > From my experience, they consider the 3b2/600 a single user computer (no > man pages). They _almost_ consider the 3b4000 (a $500,000+ machine) single > user - for that, we could get man pages, but not the troff source; just > ascii files that had come out the back of nroff. We are 5.3.1 source > licensed, btw. I am less than impressed. > > Ross > > ps: We bought Fortran XLA from ATT recently, and it came complete with an > on-line man page entry - same as above; just something suitable to be copied > to a printer. > > rwa On my 3B15, System V, Release 2, I have the man directory, but that is useless because I don't have nroff (once, I believe, one of the characteristic features of Unix, now optional at extra cost); I also have a catman directory, so I CAN get the info on my terminal, but my printers don't like it... The (printed) manual also says that the disk versions may be out of date... Remember when ATT were experts in electronic communications? -- = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Paul S. Sawyer uunet!unh!unhtel!paul paul@unhtel.UUCP UNH Telecommunications Durham, NH 03824-3523 VOX: 603-862-3262 FAX: 603-862-2030
dlm@cuuxb.ATT.COM (Dennis L. Mumaugh) (03/30/89)
In article <7991@chinet.chi.il.us> les@chinet.chi.il.us (Leslie Mikesell) writes: In article <2624@cuuxb.ATT.COM> fmcgee@cuuxb.UUCP (Frank W. McGee) writes: On a personal note, I used to love on-line man pages, but now that I use the manual a lot, I prefer the printed manuals. I can find things quicker and more easily, plus it's easier to flip between two or three manual pages in different sections. Frank McGee, AT&T I take it that you don't do any work from remote locations, or perhaps you like to cart 50 lb. of manuals around with you. And what about the other users on the machine? Or do you consider the 386 as a single-user computer? Now that disk space is more or less affordable, let's get the manual back on-line. Wouldn't AT&T like to sell everyone the next size larger disk? One can get on-line manual pages. It is a special order and is listed as "machine readable documentation". Contact your Account Executive or 1-800-ATT-UNIX. -- =Dennis L. Mumaugh Lisle, IL ...!{att,lll-crg,attunix}!cuuxb!dlm OR dlm@cuuxb.att.com