[comp.sys.att] 6386 Performance

robert@koko.UUCP (Robert Zeff) (01/16/89)

I am considering buying a 6386.  Could I get some comments regarding
reliability, performance & factory support?
Thanks-
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pjh@mccc.uucp (Pete Holsberg) (08/12/90)

1)  I ordered an "unlimited" version of UNIX SVR3.2.2 for my 6386E/33,
but I fin dthat the system thinks it's running "16 user."  Has there
been an error or is 16 users as many as I can have?  And, for that
matter, how are users counted?  (Logins are obvious, but if someone's
got a file transfer running from uucico, does he count?)

2)  I have 4 MB of RAM.  For a constant number of users, will performce
be improved if I add more RAM?

Thanks,
Pete
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aland@infmx.UUCP (Colonel Panic) (08/12/90)

In article <1990Aug11.193437.7651@mccc.uucp> pjh@mccc.uucp (Pete Holsberg) writes:

Hiya Pete...

>1)  I ordered an "unlimited" version of UNIX SVR3.2.2 for my 6386E/33,
>but I fin dthat the system thinks it's running "16 user."  Has there
>been an error or is 16 users as many as I can have?  And, for that
>matter, how are users counted?  (Logins are obvious, but if someone's
>got a file transfer running from uucico, does he count?)

Did you install the Unlimited User Upgrade package?  If you order the
unlimited, the Foundation Set still comes as a 16 user system, but
you get the Unlimited User upgrade as a separately installable package.
Run "displaypkg" if you're not sure.

>2)  I have 4 MB of RAM.  For a constant number of users, will performce
>be improved if I add more RAM?

It sure can't hurt.  With SIMMs down to $70 or so, moving from 4MB to
8MB is relatively cheap.  To go beyond that, you have to buy the 4/16MB
expansion board (lists for around $2500).  If you fill out SIMMs 5-8 on
the motherboard, be sure to move the appropriate jumper.  It's in the
manual.  (Note that the memory board in the manual is WRONG, and that
the memory diagnostics go bogus if you have more than 16MB on a Cascade
series machine [6386E/25, 33, or 6386/SX]).

>Thanks, Pete

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wsinpdb@svin02.info.win.tue.nl (Paul de Bra) (08/13/90)

In article <1990Aug11.193437.7651@mccc.uucp> pjh@mccc.uucp (Pete Holsberg) writes:
>...
>2)  I have 4 MB of RAM.  For a constant number of users, will performce
>be improved if I add more RAM?
>...

4MB is very little, it's about what you need for 1 user, not running X
and not running Simultask.
In fact, 8MB is still not a luxury for 1 user running X.

You need not worry about your 16 user limit (except that you paid for
unlimited) if you have only 4MB. You wouldn't want that many users
anyway.

Paul.
(debra@research.att.com)

pjh@mccc.uucp (Pete Holsberg) (08/15/90)

In article <1334@svin02.info.win.tue.nl> wsinpdb@svin02.info.win.tue.nl (Paul de Bra) writes:
=In fact, 8MB is still not a luxury for 1 user running X.
=
=You need not worry about your 16 user limit (except that you paid for
=unlimited) if you have only 4MB. You wouldn't want that many users
=anyway.

Well, I found the unlimited upgrade disk in the box the rest of the
software came in, so that's out of the way.

I have 8 MB on the 6386 and plan to have 20 users (no X, no Simultask). 
The problem of adding more RAM is the cost of the RAM expansion board. 
You wouldn't happen to know where I could find one for (much) less than
the $2500 that AT&T is reputed to want?

Pete


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fmcgee@cuuxb.ATT.COM (~XT6561110~Frank McGee~C23~L25~6326~) (08/22/90)

In article <1990Aug14.182654.17881@mccc.uucp> pjh@mccc.UUCP (Pete Holsberg) writes:
>I have 8 MB on the 6386 and plan to have 20 users (no X, no Simultask). 
>The problem of adding more RAM is the cost of the RAM expansion board. 
>You wouldn't happen to know where I could find one for (much) less than
>the $2500 that AT&T is reputed to want?

Although AT&T won't support it, you could use the Intel RAM
expansion cards.  We had a prototype here that came with one
of their cards; it had 8 MB of soldered on 1 MB DRAMs (72
DRAMs).  They were soldered on on our card, so it looks like
you have to buy what you want, and if you want to add more
later, you have to buy a new card.  Kind of makes the AT&T
card look really good (:-).  The particular model I used was
in a 6386/25, and worked in both the prototype and the
production models.  I don't have a part number for the Intel
card, but I believe it was for the 302 computer.

You could also use plain AT RAM expansion cards, but they
probably can't take advantage of the RAM cache, and they
will be slooooow.  Once, again, AT&T wouldn't support that
configuration, since we sell a memory card ourselves for
that purpose.

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