thad@cup.portal.com (Thad P Floryan) (01/06/91)
Aw fer crissakes, the kinda crap included below is STILL being posting to the unix-pc.* newsgroups. If you haven't yet voted "YES!" on comp.sys.3b1, you still have time. And if you don't want ALL the 3B1/UNIXPC/PC7300 stuff crossposted to comp.sys.att just to assure reasonable distribution, YOU should also vote "YES!" on comp.sys.3b1 Thad Floryan [ thad@cup.portal.com (OR) ..!sun!portal!cup.portal.com!thad ] -------------------- begin included material Xref: portal soc.culture.indian:22392 unix-pc.sources:185 Path: portal!apple!amdahl!tiwana From: tiwana@uts.amdahl.com (Gurumukh Singh Tiwana) Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,unix-pc.sources Subject: PC bulletin boards in bay area Keywords: Bulletin boards Message-ID: <83bc01vA00Ln00@amdahl.uts.amdahl.com> Date: 4 Jan 91 00:41:08 GMT Followup-To: poster Distribution: ba Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA Lines: 3 Portal-Origin: Usenet Portal-Type: text Portal-Bytes: 106 Portal-Location: 5263.3.376.1 Does anybody know of any PC bulletin boards in the bay area? Please reply to tiwana@uts.amdahl.com Thanks -------------------- end included material
Alvin@cup.portal.com (Alvin Henry White) (01/07/91)
Just goes to show. I have been to all the local unix-pc user groups since before the began by a year or so when it was primarily the DOS group. Seldom said a word. Felt it was really over my head. I've been reading these unix-pc usenet stuff for a couple of years, every day. I've been trying to get my unix-pc to work for four years without other than momentary success. Although I have taken my machines to almost all the meetings. Here the other day some guy asks a question on BBS's in the Bay Area. Wow, a question I can finally talk on. Still to afraid to talk on the net, I send the guy off an email and he sends back a "Thanks." I felt wonderful. Thad comes out an flames the thing. Boy!! When you're feeling lower than a snakes heel, someone takes the rock off'n you head, you think "Thank God, a breath of fresh air, and Thad steps on you head. Merry Christmas. alvin Alvin H. White, Gen. Sect. G.O.D.S.B.R.A.I.N. Government Online Database Systems Bureau for Resource Allocations to Information Networks [ alvin@cup.portal.com (OR) ..!sun!portal!cup.portal.com!alvin ]
thad@cup.portal.com (Thad P Floryan) (01/07/91)
Alvin@cup.portal.com (Alvin Henry White) in <37656@cup.portal.com> writes:
Just goes to show.
Show WHAT?
I have been to all the local unix-pc user groups since before the
began by a year or so when it was primarily the DOS group. Seldom
said a word. Felt it was really over my head.
I've been reading these unix-pc usenet stuff for a couple of years,
every day. I've been trying to get my unix-pc to work for four years
without other than momentary success. Although I have taken my
machines to almost all the meetings.
I'm not trying to criticize, but Alvin's machine is the one I mentioned in
another posting as having the "216" motherboard whose floppy connector pinnings
are reversed from every other 3B1 and whose motherboard is considerably
different from ANY other UNIXPC. I almost suspect it is a pre-production
prototype.
Here the other day some guy asks a question on BBS's in the Bay Area.
Wow, a question I can finally talk on. Still to afraid to talk on the
net, I send the guy off an email and he sends back a "Thanks."
I felt wonderful.
And that's GREAT! This is just the one of the things that's so nice about
Usenet, people helping out others.
But the guy who posted the query about PC BBS systems made several boo-boos.
He posted to a "sources" group, and he posted to a group that really has
nothing whatsoever to do with IBM-PC or MS-DOS systems.
Thad comes out an flames the thing. Boy!! When you're feeling lower
than a snakes heel, someone takes the rock off'n you head, you think
"Thank God, a breath of fresh air, and Thad steps on you head. Merry
Christmas.
I "flamed" ONLY the original poster in the same spirit as that which sparked
the discussion (and the present voting) for a group re-organization to prevent
erroneous postings such as the one presently under discussion.
Note the original poster posted from amdahl.com, located in the heart of
Silicon Valley, in which even at Safeway stores one can find the free copies
of the monthly MICROTIMES (typically 250-300 pages) and bi-weekly COMPUTER
CURRENTS both of which list all BBS systems and user groups in N.California.
It's difficult to be anywhere in Silicon Valley and NOT see even newsstands at
street corners or in front of restaurants and fast-food places at which the
MICROTIMES and COMPUTER CURRENTS are distributed.
I'm saddened to read that Alvin feels the way he does about my "flame", but it
was NOT directed at him (how could it be when no-one besides himself or the
recipient of his email even knew he answered the posting?) and I don't feel any
apologies are in order.
Thad Floryan [ thad@cup.portal.com (OR) ..!sun!portal!cup.portal.com!thad ]Alvin@cup.portal.com (Alvin Henry White) (01/07/91)
Thad responded to my reply. I haven't gotten good at including things like his reply. My general concern is who defines what belongs to what. I have been studying like crazy to get pcomm to run on my machine so I can use the BBS's [666 of them] in Washington D.C. The BBS's in the Bay Area have the indices to those in not only D.C. but all over the world. The BBS's are reachable with the unix-pc. This even without the DOS card. I do have a DOS card for mine, if I can get it to work. I was having success getting pcomm to work so I bought a Telebit T2500 modem for $1150.00 so I could get greater speed to the Bulletin Boards with my unix-pc. Thus I though that the querry about BBS's in the Bay Area was quit germain to the topic. I had a little success at getting the unix-pc to contact the BBS's with the Telebit T2500 so I went and bought a new 3b1 motherboard and a 3b1 power supply and installed those. That was how I had the old one laying around loose to take to the meeting. I greatly enjoy reading the unix-pc stuff, even though it is usually far over my head, but maybe I'll learn if I keep reading, I hope. I took the machine apart 5 to 10 times over Thanksgiving and several times over Christmas and New Years. Put in the new Motherboard, put in the new power supply. Disassembled adjusted the video plug into 14 components at least twice. Last time I put in upside down and blew the monitor. Manfred Frey disassembled and checked much of the machine for half a day Saturday before last. Some time the thing would go, other times not. He says he can't find any high voltage in the monitor. I called a guy back east who has a monitor to sell. I told him if I can raise the money I'll buy that from him. When I put in the new motherboard I then installed my 1.5 meg combo card and my dos card. The machine said it had 3.5 meg. I was exstatic until the next day and it wouldn't boot. I am not seeking an apology from Thad. Obviously he had no way of knowing what had happend. It was just one of those luck occurances. But isn't that Murphy's Law. As soon as I open my mouth something will go wrong. I do think that both DOS and BBS's are useable on the unix-pc and unless someone has the "official definition" of who can say what... alvin Alvin H. White, Gen. Sect. G.O.D.S.B.R.A.I.N. Government Online Database Systems Bureau for Resource Allocations to Information Networks [ alvin@cup.portal.com (OR) ..!sun!portal!cup.portal.com!alvin ]
templon@copper.ucs.indiana.edu (jeffrey templon) (01/07/91)
Alvin@cup.portal.com (Alvin Henry White) writes: >his reply. My general concern is who defines what belongs to what. I have Who here is the group of people who start the newsgroup. For example, read the charter proposed for comp.sys.3b1. No one person defines what is OK and what is not. There has been developed on this group a tradition that postings which are primarily IBM-PC-related are very annoying and are to be heavily discouraged. > Thus I though that the querry about BBS's in the Bay Area was quit >germain to the topic. I think this is a good way to look at it, but it is not the model that is generally accepted on the net. A good example is the recent discussion about the C-language function 'printf' and its behaviour on the unix-pc. There has been a lot of discussion about it, and no-one has complained. I think the reason is that the discussion has primarily focussed on how the unix-pc 'printf' is different than that on most other unix systems. If someone had written in that they could not figure out how to get printf output to go to a file instead of stdout, however, the discussion probably would not have been tolerated for long; someone would have suggested that the poster pose his question in comp.lang.c, probably. This sort of thing happens much more quickly here when the posting is related to PCs, but it is very much the same sort of thing. There is a group called alt.bbs which would have been a suitable forum for your topic, and probably several others I don't know about. So in a way, your topic does have some relation to the unix-pc since you can use it to access a BBS, but the primary aspect of the topic has nothing to do with the unix-pc, just as even though the fictional poster can run C on the unix-pc, her question is specifically a C question, not a unix-pc question. Hope this helps. Should say this is the way I understand it; I've been proven before to have an imperfect understanding sometimes :) Jeff