jeffrey@sci.ccny.cuny.edu (Jeffrey L Bromberger) (06/10/91)
Hello again. Here's the situation. I have a 3b2 running SVR3.1, and
I have 2 terminals for it. One is a 5620, and the other is an AT&T
630MTG. For the 5620, I have the 2.0 release of the core utilities,
font stuff, text stuff, and development things. For the 630, I have
the "Windowing Utilities" disk that came with the initial
distribution, and the 630MTG development package.
Needless to say, I prefer the newer 630 over the older BLIT. From a
quick glance, both can do layers. But before I retire the 5620 to a
closet, I have 2 questions for the experts. First, does the 630 come
with "nice" software like cip and a ditroff/tek4010 previewer? The
documentation mentions a copy of jim, but nothing else. Does this
mean that I'm SOL for the other programs? :-) Are there PD versions,
preferrably not from the Toolche$t?
Secondly (and probably most importantly), can the 630 do everything
computationally the 5620 can? I realize that the 630 has a 68K processor
unlike the 5620. I want to try my hand at programming it, though, and
would hate to be unable to do everything the BLIT could do.
Many thanks to anyone who can answer these questions for me.
j
BTW: How to tell the ROM level on the BLIT? The 630's setup screen
tells me that I have over 1 meg RAM and version "8;8;6" ROMs. Is
there an easy way to find this on the 5620?
--
Jeffrey L. Bromberger
System Operator---City College of New York---Science Computing Facility
jeffrey@sci.ccny.cuny.edu jeffrey@ccnysci.BITNET
Anywhere!{cmcl2,philabs,phri}!ccnysci!jeffreymvadh@cbnews.cb.att.com (andrew.d.hay) (06/10/91)
In article <1991Jun10.032442.27620@sci.ccny.cuny.edu> jeffrey@sci.ccny.cuny.edu (Jeffrey L Bromberger) writes:
"Hello again. Here's the situation. I have a 3b2 running SVR3.1, and
"I have 2 terminals for it. One is a 5620, and the other is an AT&T
"630MTG. For the 5620, I have the 2.0 release of the core utilities,
"font stuff, text stuff, and development things. For the 630, I have
"the "Windowing Utilities" disk that came with the initial
"distribution, and the 630MTG development package.
"
"Needless to say, I prefer the newer 630 over the older BLIT. From a
"quick glance, both can do layers. But before I retire the 5620 to a
"closet, I have 2 questions for the experts. First, does the 630 come
"with "nice" software like cip and a ditroff/tek4010 previewer? The
"documentation mentions a copy of jim, but nothing else. Does this
"mean that I'm SOL for the other programs? :-) Are there PD versions,
"preferrably not from the Toolche$t?
there is xcip for the 630. i can't see any differences from cip, but
it may have some subtle fixes/enhancements.
there's also xtek4010, a terminal emulator; and xproof, for troff
previewing.
"Secondly (and probably most importantly), can the 630 do everything
"computationally the 5620 can? I realize that the 630 has a 68K processor
"unlike the 5620. I want to try my hand at programming it, though, and
"would hate to be unable to do everything the BLIT could do.
the 630 can probably do everything the 5620 can, and more!
you may also want to spend the bucks (~$200, i think) to upgrade your
630 to a 730. this buys you 6 roms with many, many enhancements and
fixes...
"Many thanks to anyone who can answer these questions for me.
"
"j
"
"BTW: How to tell the ROM level on the BLIT? The 630's setup screen
"tells me that I have over 1 meg RAM and version "8;8;6" ROMs. Is
"there an easy way to find this on the 5620?
shift-setup. does your 5620 have layers in rom & 1M?
--
Andrew Hay +------------------------------------------------------+
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a.d.hay@att.com +------------------------------------------------------+gwyn@smoke.brl.mil (Doug Gwyn) (06/10/91)
In article <1991Jun10.032442.27620@sci.ccny.cuny.edu> jeffrey@sci.ccny.cuny.edu (Jeffrey L Bromberger) writes: >... does the 630 come with "nice" software like cip and a ditroff/tek4010 >reviewer? The documentation mentions a copy of jim, but nothing else. The AT&T UNIX System Toolchest offers a "630pkg" containing modernized versions of essentially all the 5620 utilities you have come to like. Also, consider the "sam" editor offered by the Toolchest; it's a much improved version of "jim", and once you have a license for "sam", you can get an improved version that also supports Suntools and X-Windows from me. >Secondly (and probably most importantly), can the 630 do everything >computationally the 5620 can? Essentially, yes. Its firmware and support software are pretty much supersets of the 5620's. >BTW: How to tell the ROM level on the BLIT? The 630's setup screen >tells me that I have over 1 meg RAM and version "8;8;6" ROMs. Is >there an easy way to find this on the 5620? The easiest is to press SHIFT+SETUP and see what is displayed. (If no version is displayed, you have 8;7;1 or 8;7;2, which are pretty old. 8;7;5 is the latest that I know of.)
jeffrey@sci.ccny.cuny.edu (Jeffrey L Bromberger) (06/14/91)
In article <1991Jun10.123747.21815@cbnews.cb.att.com> mvadh@cbnews.cb.att.com (andrew.d.hay) writes: >In article <1991Jun10.032442.27620@sci.ccny.cuny.edu> I wrote >there is xcip for the 630. i can't see any differences from cip, but >it may have some subtle fixes/enhancements. >there's also xtek4010, a terminal emulator; and xproof, for troff >previewing. Browsing the toolchest yesterday showed the whole schmeer (630_pkg) at $100 for source and docs. Not as bad as ksh88f :-( It looks like that's what I'm going to have to do. I don't believe that anyone can "sell" me their unused copies of the stuff. And binary distribution has been disallowed... >the 630 can probably do everything the 5620 can, and more! >you may also want to spend the bucks (~$200, i think) to upgrade your >630 to a 730. this buys you 6 roms with many, many enhancements and >fixes... But, will this break all the 630_dev (development package) stuff I have? As long as it will still operate, then that's a reasonable option. Right now, though, the 630 has a memory expn card (256K) and an extra serial/SSI port card. >"BTW: How to tell the ROM level on the BLIT? The 630's setup screen >"tells me that I have over 1 meg RAM and version "8;8;6" ROMs. Is >"there an easy way to find this on the 5620? > >shift-setup. does your 5620 have layers in rom & 1M? Well, the ROMS are 8;7;5 (dated from 1984) and it has 256K memory. Do they have memory upgrades for this thing? Is it worth it? Are the ROMS fairly recent (I seem to remmeber that this was the last revlev)? And, BTW, what is that "Parallel I/O" thingie used for? It is a standard ribbon cable header, but I have no idea what I could ever use it for. Thanks again! j -- Jeffrey L. Bromberger System Operator---City College of New York---Science Computing Facility jeffrey@sci.ccny.cuny.edu jeffrey@ccnysci.BITNET Anywhere!{cmcl2,philabs,phri}!ccnysci!jeffrey
tgeorge@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (timothy.d.george) (06/15/91)
Well, I am writting this from a 730 with 4 meg of ram, connected by Starlan 10 to a large pool of 3b2's. We have used both the 630 and 730 terminals for our software platform. Upgrading to a 730 won't break your 630 apps, but the key mapping changes. There is a key replacement kit available to put the right keys in the right place. The 730 can take a cartridge in the game slot to make it into an OK X terminal, but the 630 can't. Changes in the tli code in the rom is why. I personally would keep the 630. Tom Roehr attmail!scuzzy!tomr tomr@scuzzy.abflt.abfly.cbnewsb.cb.att.com