[comp.sys.apple] What does a 65c02 vs 6502 do for speed

binder@fizbin.DEC.COM.UUCP (03/07/87)

From medin@cod.nosc.mil (Ted Medin):

>    Other than the extra instructions what would replacing the 6502 with
> a 65c02 do for a //e (old one) or a II+ ?????
> Thanks in advance.
> 					     Ted

Nothing perceptible.  Obviously, it won't run faster.  The only additional 
advantages it will have are slightly better noise immunity and a sharply 
decreased power consumption.  The noise immunity will help your machine 
weather some frizz on the power line, and the reduced power consumption will 
allow the 65C02 to run somewhat cooler.

Cheers,
Dick Binder   (The Stainless Steel Rat)

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delaney%wnre.aecl.cdn%ubc.CSNET@RELAY.CS.NET (Grant Delaney) (03/07/87)

Ted and others are asking the same question in one form or the other recently
and I would like to add my experience with both II+ and //e

>   Other than the extra instructions what would replacing the 6502 with
>a 65c02 do for a //e (old one) or a II+ ?????
>Thanks in advance.
					     Ted

Replacing Just the 6502 on a //e has little to offer from my experience with 
the //e we have here.  The few advatages that we have found come from the newer
Roms which allow us to use a few software packages notedly Supercalc 3a (which
by the way we run on both IBMs and apples so that data is transferable) but not 
to regress even with that advantage we have in a number of cases put back the 
character roms so that the display appears properly in older software.  As for 
speed there is realy no gain as most software is still designed to run with the
6502 so few programs use the added instructions.  As well a look back though 
some of my old magazines tells me that only one little used instruction 
operates in fewer cycles.  So where is the gain to be found???

As for the II+ well I have one in old faithful at home but often find that 
software designed for the II+ will not work with the 65C02 in it. Seems that a 
lot of programers were using the pseudo opcodes that are real in the 65C02 and 
the programs BOMB.  As well any software that uses the 65C02 generally both 
uses the //e bank switched (64K) memory and looks for the ID bits which are a 
little difficult to add to a II+.  

So from my point of view with out the Rom upgrade on a //e you wasting you 
money and if you do keep the old chips there are plug in boards available now 
to let you switch back if you not stuck with a fully soldered board.  With the 
II+ well apple seems to have abandoned us so I'm keeping my old faithful and 
turning it into a monitor for my Greenhouse.  I'm looking to a GS for my 
future.

seven@BORAX.LCS.MIT.EDU ("Benjamin M. Levy") (03/16/87)

  what is the difference in speed between the 65c02 and the 65802?
   ---Ben