nakada@husc8.HARVARD.EDU (Paul Nakada) (10/23/87)
Here's the scenario.. I have a pre update version of the //c, and so far I haven't noticed any shortcomings. I haven't noticed any problems running a modem at 1200 baud or any software incompatibilities... the problem is that i would like to get a unidisk 3.5 (outrageously expensive as they are.. but hey.. if you need the storage... ) well anyways.. it doesn't have the protocol converter firware.. so i'm wondering... can i still get the motherboard swap done? and if so, how do i go about getting it.. must I claim that I am having modem troubles.. ( i think i remember someone saying that proof of purchase is required for the modem.. which i don't have considering it's over two years old...) oh yea... i forgot to mention that i refuse to buy the drive from a showroom dealer... can i just buy a unidisk 3.5 mail order and show up at a dealer and ask for a swap? am I asking too much? any help in this matter would be much appreciateed.. thanks... -paul nakada@husc4.harvard.edu nakada@harvunxu.bitnet
mackay@dalcsug.UUCP (Daniel MacKay) (10/23/87)
In article <3038@husc6.UUCP>, nakada@husc8.HARVARD.EDU (Paul Nakada) writes: I used to be a service manager for an Apple retailer, so I have some clarification on this ROM upgrade/1200 baud thing. > I haven't noticed any shortcomings. I haven't noticed any problems running > a modem at 1200 baud or any software incompatibilities... the problem The Unidisk ROM upgrade is completely separate from the //c serial port problem. You may have to get a logic board swap for the ROM upgrade (if your dealer doesn't have a ROM OR your ROM is soldered in, as some were), but the serial port timing problem always requires a logic board swap, which may or may not have the ROM upgrade. //cs which HAVE been upgraded with the upgrade kit, or had the new ROM from the factory, will have a little 3.5" disk icon sticker next to the disk port. > the motherboard swap done? and if so, how do i go about getting it.. must > I claim that I am having modem troubles.. ( i think i remember someone > saying that proof of purchase is required for the modem.. which i don't No, all you have to do is buy the Unidisk 3.5" to get the ROM upgrade. > that i refuse to buy the drive from a showroom dealer... can i just > buy a unidisk 3.5 mail order and show up at a dealer and ask for a swap? As a service manager for a "showroom dealer", I would have told you to get lost, or more politely, "Your dealer will be more than happy to perform the ROM upgrade." +---------+ Dalhousie University | _ | From the Halifax, Nova Scotia | (_)===| Disk of ... Canada | | Daniel mackay@dalcs.UUCP +---------+ ...{utai,uunet}!dalcs!dalcsug!mackay
lwv@n8emr.UUCP (Larry W. Virden) (10/25/87)
Most Apple bug fixes are performed by honest dealers without regard as to whether you purchased a product from them or not. Apple pays them the same amount whether or not you purchased your Apple, disk, etc. from them. Let me also mention that I dont know what you are considering so out of order for the cost of the Unidisk. I think that $300 for a drive that gives you 6 times the storage capacity as a 5.25 drive is a great price. Also it was the same price as Apple charged for their 5.25 drive the last time I checked - sure you can buy 5.25 drives cheaper, but Central Point has cheaper 3.5 drives as well - I just dont know if they work on a IIc. If not, perhaps someone else can figure out a way to do this. -- Larry W. Virden 75046,606 (CIS) 674 Falls Place, Reynoldsburg, OH 43068 (614) 864-8817 cbosgd!n8emr!lwv HAM/SWL BBS (HBBS) 614-457-4227.. 300/1200 bps We haven't inherited the world from our parents, but borrowed it from our children.
halp@TCGOULD.TN.CORNELL.EDU.UUCP (10/29/87)
My upgraded ][c, including memory increase to 384K, doesn't have a little Apple icon next to the disk port, but happily runs Apple Unidisk 3.5. The upgrade was done by an authorized Apple dealer. ****DISCLAMER: My comments, etc., are my own shakey opinions ******** | Bruce P. Halpern Psychology & Neurobiology & Behavior Cornell Ithaca | | ARPA: halp@tcgould.tn.cornell.edu | | BITNET: HALP@CRNLTHRY D57J@CORNELLA D57J@CRNLVAX5 | | PHONE: 607-255-6433 Uris Hall, Cornell U., Ithaca, NY 14853-7601 |
mackay@dalcsug.UUCP (10/29/87)
If you press control-reset on a //c with the new ROM, to get to ROM BASIC, then type PR#7<ret>, you get a message "Appletalk Offline". This is sort of interesting, because, of course, PR#7 normally means "Boot from the device found in slot 7". Disregarding the fact that the //c has no slots whatsoever, it indicates that the guys who put the new ROM together were thinking of AppleTalk. Incidentally, if you do this on a //c with the OLD ROM, the machine will boot from the external drive instead of the internal drive- can come in handy if your internal drive dies one day. Anyone know what the message means? +---------+ Dalhousie University | _ | From the Halifax, Nova Scotia | (_)===| Disk of ... Canada | | Daniel mackay@dalcs.UUCP +---------+ ...{utai,uunet}!dalcs!dalcsug!mackay
fiddler%concertina@Sun.COM (Steve Hix) (11/02/87)
In article <174@dalcsug.UUCP>, mackay@dalcsug.UUCP (Daniel MacKay) writes: > > If you press control-reset on a //c with the new ROM, to get to ROM > BASIC, then type PR#7<ret>, you get a message "Appletalk Offline". > > This is sort of interesting, because, of course, PR#7 normally means > "Boot from the device found in slot 7". Disregarding the fact that the > //c has no slots whatsoever, it indicates that the guys who put the > new ROM together were thinking of AppleTalk. > > Incidentally, if you do this on a //c with the OLD ROM, the machine > will boot from the external drive instead of the internal drive- > can come in handy if your internal drive dies one day. > > Anyone know what the message means? Yes. (Some of this is a little fuzzy in my mind, it's been a while.) Early in '85, some bug fixes and enhancements to the //c ROM were made. Most important was code to support use of external drives other than the disk//c, specifically the UniDisk3.5 (a dumb name, I thought at the time, and still do). Support for daisy-chaining drives though a "protocol converter" was added, and one of the programmers involved in this saw that they could also fit the required foundation to suport AppleTalk. So they put it in. Nobody (least of all Apple) has ever built the required hardware (a converter box) to connect any AppleTalk devices to the //c, but the ROM code to support it is there. Because they never expected to officially support such a device, I was told to not document the feature in the "Apple //c Techinical Reference Manual" that was published in late 1985. I always expected that someone (lots of 'em) would notice this interesting message and get curious. If you get the //c tech ref., you can look at the ROM listing in it and see what the code does. I think that there is now another way to boot off an external drive, but I can't remember what it is now. Should be in the manual. seh