jockc@killer.UUCP (11/04/87)
I just got my upgraded (from //e) //gs yesterday. When I tried to run the finder, I got a $0201 error. My system disk version is 3.1. The numbers on the ROM chip are (not sure which are relevant so i'm listing them all): 646VM E350 231024-1039 342-0077-A I haven't got my mem expansion card yet so i just have 256K. Can someone tell me what the $201 error is , and do I need a ROM upgrade? thanks in advance... Jock Cooper ihnp4!killer!jockc
lwv@n8emr.UUCP (Larry W. Virden) (11/06/87)
I dont know what $0201 is , but I DO know what your problem is. Finder requires a MINIMUM of 512k to start up. For that matter, so does most other GS software - some requires a minimum of 768k. So may I suggest that you run, not walk, to your nearest dealer, buy a minimally populated GS ram card ( any suggestions out there? I use the AE GSRam and it is passible - I just need to expand to more memory) and then contact MicroProcessors, Inc to purchase the additional memory chips at about 50% of the Apple/AE price listed! For about $200-$300 you can be set up with 1+ meg of memory and everything will run happily! -- Larry W. Virden 75046,606 (CIS) 674 Falls Place, Reynoldsburg, OH 43068 (614) 864-8817 cbosgd!n8emr!lwv HAM/SWL BBS (HBBS) 614-457-4227.. 300/1200 bps We haven't inherited the world from our parents, but borrowed it from our children.
keith@apple.UUCP (Keith Rollin) (11/08/87)
In article <1993@killer.UUCP> jockc@killer.UUCP (Jock Cooper) writes: >I just got my upgraded (from //e) //gs yesterday. When I tried to run >the finder, I got a $0201 error. My system disk version is 3.1. The numbers >on the ROM chip are (not sure which are relevant so i'm listing them all): > >646VM E350 >231024-1039 >342-0077-A > >I haven't got my mem expansion card yet so i just have 256K. Can someone >tell me what the $201 error is , and do I need a ROM upgrade? > Error $201 is an "Unable to allocate block" error. So what you need is not a ROM upgrade, but a RAM upgrade; the GS Finder needs at least 512K. -- Keith Rollin amdahl\ Sales Technical Support pyramid!sun !apple!keith Apple Computer decwrl/ Disclaimer: I read this board for fun, not profit. Anything I say is from the result of reading magazines, hacking, and soaking my head in acid.
jockc@killer.UUCP (11/09/87)
In article <324@n8emr.UUCP> lwv@n8emr.UUCP (Larry W. Virden) writes: > >GS software - some requires a minimum of 768k. So may I suggest that you run, >not walk, to your nearest dealer, buy a minimally populated GS ram card ( >any suggestions out there? I use the AE GSRam and it is passible - I just need >to expand to more memory) and then contact MicroProcessors, Inc to purchase >the additional memory chips at about 50% of the Apple/AE price listed! > This is exactly what I did with my old Ramworks //... I bought it with 256k and bought 768k from MicroProcessors, Inc. I thought I could just move those chips from the ramworks // to the gsRam. It only worked partially... The Hitachi chips that came on the Ramworks // worked on the gsRam, but the 768k of Toshiba chips I had previously purchased from Micro... inc. were reported by the ae memory test as being bad (every one). So instead of having 1.5 megs in my machine i have to settle for 768k until I can figure out why those Toshiba chips dont work on the gsRam, or buy more... Jock Cooper Information Systems -- CCT Hospital Corporation of America ihnp4!killer!jockc
lwv@n8emr.UUCP (11/11/87)
I just want to post the standard reminder - Not all 256k chips are equal. The GS takes special memory refresh features (cas before ras?) and thus one cannot just plug any kind of 256k chip into your board. Likewise, there is at least one brand of the right refresh which doesn work just right - unfortunately I dont have that info with me right now. So, read the doc that comes with your GS memory card and use ONLY the brand chips it refers to . Tell MicroProcessors, INC that you have a brand X memory board for an Apple II gs and they can help you get the right chips. Sell the other chips to someother poor sucker... Antedote: I went into the local apple dealer to buy my memory card a few months ago. I asked for an Appl. Eng. GS ram card. The price was reasonable for a 256k card so I then asked how much the extra chips would be. This was BEFORE I knew about MPI. The price sounded good (it wasnt) so I asked for the dealer to put the chips in for me. Now I told them what kind of chips that I wanted, showed them the literature fromthe board etc. I KNEW that the wrong kind of chips wouldnt work. This is a big time, more than one store in a chain type place - with supposedly technically knowledgable folks doing the work. The salesman says "no problem, I do this all the time". So off he goes. I watch as the chips go on the board. I notice that the chips are NOT the kind approved by AE or Apple, etc. So I "innocently" ask, "Can we check out the board using this ram testing software before I take it home?" "Sure", says the saleman, "but it will be okay, I do this all the time." We set up the board in the store's GS and run the diagnostic, and ALL additional chips flag as bad! "Oh my", I say, "there must be something wrong." <snicker, snicker> "No problem", the salesman says. "It is probably just one bad chip." So for two hours we replace a chip or two at a time, using the RIGHT kind of chips. Amazingly enough ;-) the board works fine when the salesman puts in the chips that I suggested that he use in the first place. Total time spent - more than 3 hours! He was going to send me off home to fight with this sucker by myself. Moral: DONT take hardware that the dealer 'enhances' out the door without verifying that it indeed works as you expect. -- Larry W. Virden 75046,606 (CIS) 674 Falls Place, Reynoldsburg, OH 43068 (614) 864-8817 cbosgd!n8emr!lwv HAM/SWL BBS (HBBS) 614-457-4227.. 300/1200 bps We haven't inherited the world from our parents, but borrowed it from our children.
dr@ski.UUCP (11/12/87)
In article <> jockc@killer.UUCP (Jock Cooper) writes: >This is exactly what I did with my old Ramworks //... I bought it with 256k >and bought 768k from MicroProcessors, Inc. I thought I could just move >those chips from the ramworks // to the gsRam. It only worked partially... >The Hitachi chips that came on the Ramworks // worked on the gsRam, but the >768k of Toshiba chips I had previously purchased from Micro... inc. were >reported by the ae memory test as being bad (every one). > >So instead of having 1.5 megs in my machine i have to settle for 768k until >I can figure out why those Toshiba chips dont work on the gsRam, or buy more... gsRAM requires "CAS before RAS" refresh chips. AE supplies Hitachi 50256-15, which are CAS-before-RAS. However, the RAMWORKS cards can use chips that are not of this type, such as the common 41256's. The RAMFACTOR cards require CAS-before-RAS also. I assume the Toshiba chips are not CAS-before-RAS. You must specify that when you order chips. The gsRAM manual has a list of manufacturers and part numbers fore CAS-before-RAS chips. I know the Hitachiis, as well as Mitsubishi, NEC, and Fujitsu. However, these companies may make both types, and one company's numbering scheme may not match. For example, the NEC is "41256", yet it is CAS-before-RAS. The refresh types are not interchangeable. Note that Toshiba makes 1-Meg DRAMs that include CAS-before-RAS, but I guess the 256K one's mentioned above were not. I bought from Jameco Electronics, in Belmont, CA, recently. I talked to their tech person first and found out what they had. They sold me NEC 41256-15, CAS-before-RAS, for $3.25 each. -- ==================================================================== David Robins, M.D. Smith-Kettlewell Eye Research Foundation (previously known as: Smith-Kettlewell Institute of Visual Sciences) 2232 Webster St; San Francisco CA 94115 415/561-1705 (voice) {ihnp4,qantel,dual}!ptsfa!ski!dr The opinions expressed herein do not reflect the opinion of the Institute!