[comp.sys.apple] Apple ][ + C compiler

c.steinb@cooper.cooper.EDU (Craig Steinberger) (11/09/87)

Can anyone suggest a good C compiler for the Apple ][+ ? (Actually,
a Franklin). Either send e-mail or post it.
						Thanks,
						Craig Steinberger
						c.steinb@cooper


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Kostecki.WBST207V@XEROX.COM (11/10/87)

Craig,

I have an ECO-SOFT compiler, which I bought about 4or5 years ago for my
APPLE II +.  I forgot the cost, but it was probably about $200.  I think
its called the C-65 compiler.   You might check out the ads in Byte or
A+.

John

lwv@n8emr.UUCP (11/11/87)

Re: C compiler for a II+.

This is quite a common question.  There are only a few C compilers which work
on ANY of the II series.  Let's see if I can remember them all:

1. A Non-C consideration (non-II+ as well!!) : Promal is C-ish language which
works on a IIe, IIc, and sort of on the IIgs.

2. Small C: some of the aspects of C, no floating point, probably other things
missing: the Orca folks.  It DOES come with source though!

3. Aztec C: There are several compilers available from Manx.  I THINK that the
less capable ones still will work on the Apple II+ - contact Manx (see Byte,
Dr Dobbs, etc. for an address, etc.) for details.

4. Hyper C: I have not seen anything from these folks in a long time.  They
used to advertise in Nibble and INCider.

5. ????: One other small company advertised an upgrade kit to ProDos for the
Aztec C package.  I remember the name "Vix" connected to it for some reason.

Note that NONE of these options are very good - at least of the ones that I have
seen - I havent seen Hyper C so I dont know what it was like.  The Aztec C was
too slow - it takes at least 2-3 disk drives or a hard disk AND a ram card to
get even a semblance of speed out of it.  But there is quite a bit of K&R and
Unix like routines there, and even a nice shell and a subset of Vi.

Anyone else have anything to add to this list?

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eric@hpfelg.HP.COM (Eric Widhalm) (11/14/87)

> / hpfelg:comp.sys.apple / lwv@n8emr.UUCP (Larry W. Virden) /  7:22 am  Nov 11, 1987 /
> Re: C compiler for a II+.
> 4. Hyper C: I have not seen anything from these folks in a long time.  They
> used to advertise in Nibble and INCider.

The last ad I saw for Hyper C was in June86 CALL  A.P.P.L.E.  However, I
called,  discussed,  ordered  and  received  a copy  of the the  "PRODOS
Professional"  version  in May87 and have been  delighted.  It cost only
$150  and  seems  to be a  reasonably  complete  K&R  with  some  bitset
extensions  (NO  floating-point,  though).  The entire system comes on 2
PRODOS-format  diskettes,  and  one  contains  source  to  allow  you to
completely rewrite/generate their shell (no source for the compiler).

You  get  an  editor,  a  native-code   compiler,  an  interpretive-code
compiler, an assembler, a librarian  and a linker (you can mix and match
native  code and  interp-code  too), and the native code is ROMable.  No
debugger  8>( but then only $150?  8>).  You can even tell the linker to
activate overlaying of various segments for you.

Other than the aggravation involved by not having  floating-point,  I've
had no problems using it or what I've developed with it.

> Anyone else have anything to add to this list?

I've  only used one other C system on the Apple ( II+, by the way, and I
don't have an enhanced  keyboard!!), and it was so bad the company can't
be found anymore.

- Eric Widhalm