lwv@n8emr.UUCP (11/12/87)
Since we keep discussing this and discussing this and dont seem to make any progress, I will call for a vote on this topic. PLEASE read the following info and follow instructions specifically. Only those who follow these instructions will be considered as legitmate votes. As per the posting "How to create a New Newsgroup" message-ID: 2177@arthur.cs.purdue.edu posted on 11/2/87 by Gene Spafford, I am calling for a vote for the binaries group for the Apple II. 1. Is this group needed? There have been quite a number of postings (size unknown by me due to uucp -> bitnet type problems) to a bitnet server for similar code. The current public domain software situation with Apple II software is very promising; there are many programs available to the world out there IF you happen to be in a part of the country which supports public domain software. There are enough users reading the comp.sys.apple group (estimate reading audience of 6700 according to the latest arbitron stats) that a binaries group could be supported. The reason that a separate group is being called for is that comp.sys.apple is being gatewayed into bitnet and arpa net groups, as well as proline and possibly other systems. The size of the individual binary files are such that they should NOT automatically be distributed to these groups, but allow a particular system administrator to SPECIFICALLY set up handing of these groups. Also, this group should be considered a complement to the Apple2-L group. If the adminstrators of that group wish to set up links so that they get what is posted here, to make access to the college world easier, that sounds like a fine idea to me. Likewise, if someone wants to set up a link to simtel20 or someother arpa net group, so that folks with ftp access can get to these files, that TOO would be a fine idea. 2. An appropriate name for this group is, in my mind, comp.binaries.apple, paralleling comp.sys.apple for general discussions. 3. This is the posting to the news.groups file describing the group. WARNING!!! SPECIAL INSTRUCTIONS AHEAD!!!! Comments on this proposal should be posted for all to discuss. VOTES WILL ONLY BE COUNTED IF THEY ARRIVE IN MY MAILBOX! If you are unable to reach this path by mail, then post a mail message stating THAT (and NOT how you would vote) to the followup group. Folks following this discussion can then attempt to help you find a different path to me, though my backbone is certainly easy enough to find :-). 4. I will consider all comments and objections. I will attempt to answer all in a timely fashion, allowing for possible system problems, delays, etc. 5. I will collect all MAILED votes on the issue. The cut off date for this will be Saturday, Dec. 12. I will be posting the talley of yes, no and undetermined votes and the list of account names of all who voted. PLEASE, be sure to explicitly state a YES or a NO for the creation. If your vote is is YES, no other comments will be necessary, unless you have some interesting info that you would like to contribute. If you have a NO vote, please consider letting me know why. Perhaps I can then also summarize the major reasons against the group and determine a way to make you happy as well! 6. At the end, if the group has 100 or more more yes votes than no votes I will send mail back to the backbone requesting creation. This does NOT guarentee our group will be created, but I am sure that these folks will give us equal shot at getting a new group. Also, it is only fair to state that only one vote per user will be counted. Oh, one other thing, I see no need for this to be a moderated group at this time. Also, I do NOT volunteer to server as an archiving site, since I am a guest of this system. Perhaps if these two items need to be addressed, I can get some volunteers as a part of the voting. -- Larry W. Virden 75046,606 (CIS) 674 Falls Place, Reynoldsburg, OH 43068 (614) 864-8817 cbosgd!n8emr!lwv HAM/SWL BBS (HBBS) 614-457-4227.. 300/1200 bps We haven't inherited the world from our parents, but borrowed it from our children.
abc@BRL.ARPA (Brint Cooper) (11/13/87)
I'm glad to see that Larry Virden is calling for a vote on comp.binaries.apple. There has been enough talk, and it is good to have some action. What about Apple software sources? Is it intended that programs in C, Assembler, BASIC, PASCAL, LOGO, and whatever be posted to comp.binaries.apple or would the group be restricted only to EXEC-able hex files. If it's restricted, perhaps we should have a companion comp.sources.apple? What say you? Brint Cooper
lwv@n8emr.UUCP ("Larry W. Virden") (11/15/87)
As for comp.sources.apple - I want to get the binaries set up first. Once we see wahat the support, etc is, THEN lets see what else we can do! P.S. Brint - you didnt vote...
burton@SILVER.BACS.INDIANA.EDU (Rex_Burton) (11/17/87)
i vote yes, thanks Rex Burton@silver.bacs.indiana.edu
eric@hpfelg.HP.COM (Eric Widhalm) (11/20/87)
Aye, aye, go for it!!
wilhoit@artsvax.UUCP (11/20/87)
Yes. By all means. comp.binaries.apple _and_ comp.sources.apple. I'm shocked there aren't such already. They would be _busy_. Do it. Please. FW .
patth@dasys1.UUCP (11/21/87)
In article <8711171248.aa11841@SMOKE.BRL.ARPA>, burton@SILVER.BACS.INDIANA.EDU (Rex_Burton) writes: > i vote yes, thanks > Rex Burton@silver.bacs.indiana.edu Rex, We sure do appreciate your YES vote for the comp.binaries.apple2 newsgroup. Those of you who have not yet voted, please do so, the deadline is December 12th and it's coming up soon. You'll remember the reasons we are asking for this newsgroup? Anyone on the mailing list receives the files being sent from LISTSERV@BROWNVM.BITNET but, alas, no one can send FILE REQUESTS for any of the old files *arrrgghhh* If we have a comp.binaries.apple2 group here on UseNET, all UseNet users can unsubscribe to the mailing list - this would cut down net traffic considerably and we'd all have access to the apple programs in the comp.binaries.apple2 newsgroup. Please, if you haven't voted yet, or if you know of users at your site who haven't sent their votes to Larry Virden, encourage them to send votes to Larry Virden using this mailpath: lwv@n8emr.UUCP Thank you. ing-- Patt Haring UUCP: ..cmcl2!phri!dasys1!patth Big Electric Cat Compu$erve: 76566,2510 New York, NY, USA MCI Mail: 306-1255; GEnie: PHaring (212) 879-9031 FidoNet Mail: 1:107/701 or 107/222
lwv@n8emr.UUCP (Larry W. Virden) (11/24/87)
Well, I didnt want to do this, but I guess I am going to have to. I have been having some difficulty getting to artsvax!wilhoit, Ted Medin, and a couple others. If AND ONLY IF you have not heard from me regarding reception of your comp.binaries.apple vote AND IF AND ONLY IF you have sent your vote more than a week ago, please resend your vote AND be sure to specify a uucp pathname thru a backbone site that you KNOW works for mail coming to you. Thanks! P.S. So far the vote is APPROX. 40 to 1 in favor of the group. We will need at least 60 more vote to make an impact - and more if any of those are no votes. P.P.S. I am also open to finding a RESPONSIBLE moderator; volenteers are welcome to drop me mail. What I would LOVE to find is some gateway folks as well - folks who could pass things along to arpa/bitnet if they dont automatically get them. -- Larry W. Virden 75046,606 (CIS) 674 Falls Place, Reynoldsburg, OH 43068 (614) 864-8817 cbosgd!n8emr!lwv (UUCP) We haven't inherited the world from our parents, but borrowed it from our children.
lwv@n8emr.UUCP (Larry W. Virden) (11/24/87)
P.P.P.P.S. to my moments ago posted update; discussions concerning the group should continue to be cross posted to news.groups; I didnt cross post that last message because a) I forgot, and b) it really has to do with the fact that some of you may have wondered why you didnt get a msg from me. -- Larry W. Virden 75046,606 (CIS) 674 Falls Place, Reynoldsburg, OH 43068 (614) 864-8817 cbosgd!n8emr!lwv (UUCP) We haven't inherited the world from our parents, but borrowed it from our children.
dipto@umbc3.UMD.EDU (Dipto Chakravarty ) (11/25/87)
Here is my vote for comp.binaries.apple :-)