[comp.sys.apple] Flaming Apple

REWING@TRINCC.BITNET (04/29/88)

TMURPHY@WPI writes:

> Maybe the message was 'childish and immature', but I've heard many similar
> comments directed at PC's and other machines, mainly from Apple owners.

As long as people love a specific product in a competing market, they will
love to go out of their way to flame others.  Chevy and Ford truck owners
have been screaming at each other long before PCs ever existed.  Same
goes for most products that people love.  Product loyalty is nothing new,
and if all of you that feel pressure from Apple owners about overzealous
behavior, well, the feeling's mutual buddy.  How long did we go being
laughed at by IBM users about being a toy?  How often did Apple II users
get heckled from the TRaSh-80 masses years ago (and now by the Amiga and
ST forces)?  I can stand legitimate complaints about a computer if you've
used it long enough to form a valid criticism.  But if the problem has been
fixed, then don't try to drag up old crap that's been dead and buried.

Take compilers.  The reason why the Mac had to be programmed from Lisas
was threefold: 1) To sell more Lisas. 2) To support Steve Jobs ideology
that the Mac user shouldn't have to worry about these things and need to
only use canned software (i.e., the word 'application' sprung). and 3) a
128K mac couldn't support the size of the pascal compiler needed to
build mac applications (a design flaw).  These three things were solved
with the 512K mac and really buried with the Mac Plus, so harping on
BS like this serves no purpose.

Graphics:  what other PC besides the Amiga uses a dedicated graphics chip?
True, I think that the Mac needs one, but don't harp if your machine
isn't running one either (and still isn't).  Also, the mac's 512x342 screen,
though deceptively small, had better resolution than most everything on
the market in 1984, and it still satisfies the needs of most Mac users.
If you really want a larger screen now, just buy one from the several
competent vendors, or get a Mac II.  Not to mention, these large screens
will be able to work with almost every piece of software available for the
Mac.  Try that on the PC without custom drivers for every program. (VGA
doesn't count here).  I get also bitch about the myriad of graphic standards
for the PC, but you get the point.

Keyboard:  The Mac had all the keys it needed to work, based on its
philosophy in 1984, and it wasn't a bad keyboard at all.  In fact,
the only feature that most programs use on the modern extended keyboards
are the arrow keys.  Forcing software manufacturers to come up with
menu options instead of stupid function keys was key to the Mac's ease
of use success.  Can most PC users claim to know the ins and outs a
most program's function keys that they own, not to mention trying to
keep them out of the way from all the TSRs that you run?  I think not.

Disk Speed:  You try to implement a sophiticated OS that doesn't have to
access the disk for system resources as much as the Mac.  Windows
thrashes on floppies just as badly (although both the Mac and Windows
are better about this these days).  The Mac OS was basically a hard
disk OS before its time, and now that we have hard disks, we really fly.
Also the transition between MFS and HFS was probably less painful than
DOS 1.0 to 2.0 or even Apple II DOS 3.3 to ProDOS 1.0.1.  And as disks
sizes get bigger in the years to come, whose operating system doesn't
care about volume size?  Hmmmm.....32megs I see.  Too bad.  Also too
bad for ProDOS users.  I hope that there are fixes to both DOSes sooner
than later.  For ProDOS owners, take heart.  The Apple II will support
the CD-ROM player.  Do you think that Apple won't expand the ProDOS
voulme map to support infinite sizes?  I'm sure they think we'd love to deal
with 355 32meg volumes...

As a said before, we've come a long way since 1984, and we still have a long
way to go.  A have a list a mile long of the things I'd like to see fixed
or changed on the Mac and the AppleIIgs.  But I still use them because
they do the job for me.  You might like the PCs for the same reason; so
be it.  But don't flame for things that are based on inaccuracy or just
plain ignorance.  You make few points, and lose respect that way.
Eventually competetion helps us all.  Where would PCs be without the Mac
today?  And vice-versa?  See, we all benefit, eventually (lawsuits not
withstanding).

--Richard Ewing
  Apple ][/Mac Consultant
  Class of '88
  Trinity College
  Hartford, CT