gregp@pro-carolina.cts.COM (Greg Prevost) (05/12/88)
Here is some info I picked up off one of the boards I call. Whether it is true or not I leave up to you to decide. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Apple IIGS Plus info: ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- I got a wonderful little package from apple this afternoon: the long-awaited GS+. Boy, this machine is AWESOME! Here are a couple of the new changes. faster processor. I don't know how fast it is, as big A didn't include much technical information with the machine. it looks like it is about 3 times the speed of the normal gs. speeds can be selected in the control panel, as normal, fast, and the new speed, aptly labeled "faster". the graphics fly at this new speed. there is still no hardware graphics chip, which is a bit of a dissapointment, but the new speed makes that irrelevant. memory. we've got 256k of ROM, with most of the toolsets included. the machine boasts 768k of RAM, 512k of "fast", 128k of "slow", and 128k of dedicated sound RAM. sound. the buzzing noises of the sound chip are no more. the higher amount of sound RAM will definately be an advantage. graphics. apple has given us three new super hires modes. a 320x200 mode with 256 colors/line, a 640x200 mode with 16 colors/line, a 320x400 mode with 16 colors/line and a 640x400 mode, with 4 colors per line. the new 400 resolutions flutter quite a bit on my sony rgb monitor. I have not yet seen them on an apple monitor. the new vgc has also done wonders for the clarity of the graphics, both old and new. they stand out in vibrant colors, making the old gs look sickly and pale. ports. the new gs has a built-in scsi port on the back. this is intended for use with either a hard drive or a cd ROM player. slots. slots can now be moved hither and fro, depending on what you want where. you can have a card physically in slot 1, and have it mapped to slow 7, which is a big help if you have a RAM battery card. peripherals. when the new gs is running in native mode, all the peripherals are now slot-independent. you can use the mouse and a slot-4 hard drive at the same time. you can put a parallel card in slot one, for your II software, and still use the serial port for your image-writer when running gs software. this can be set in the control panel so you can have the gs choose your preference depending on the mode. prodos 16. prodos 16 no longer cares which slot/drive a volume is in, so the new cpu has no slot/drive limit on storage. The Smartport limit for devices is still 127, but I know no one who would have use for 127 storage devices. mac. it was hinted at that apple may be developing a macintosh card for the gs and gs+, allowing the computer to run the majority of macintosh software. IBM: there is also a planned ms-dos card, but my personal thoughts are that its high price tag ($1054 developer) will drive consumers to the applied eng. card of the same concept. this is a definate product, unlike the mac card. availability. the letter I found in the gs+ package noted that the gs+ is only available to a few special "seeded" developers at the current time. no announcement is planned for applefest, although it might be possible for the next fest in San Fransisco. the price range will be $279 for a gs to gs+ upgrade (our price). dealers will pay $284, and should be available to the public in time for the winter holidays. please don't spread this special information around, as apple would not be happy if this got out to the public. I will post more info as I discover it. this new machine has alot of potential! ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- More info: ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ( Subj ) Apple.stuff.1 ( Brd ) Apple IIGS Board ( From ) Sound Wave (#2) ( To: ) All ( Date ) 05/06/88 11:34:00 PM ( Num ) 127 of 128 News of the world and Apple Computer Incorporated -- It seems that there definately *IS* a faster IIgs, and possibly more than just one unit. From what I have been able to piece together from various people who either work for the company, develop products, or are tied to either of those 2 groups, we (The Apple II community) should expect a "newer" IIgs around the first fiscal quarter of apple's new year. (Apple's Fiscal Year ends Sept 30, and there have been rumblings from Cupertino that Apple would not release a new GS cpu this YEAR, meaning the fiscal year.) A good bet for the time and place for either a "pre-introduction" or even a formal announcement would be at the San Francisco AppleFest, to be held towards the end of September. The problem that the II group seems to be experiencing is that there is someone *VERY* high up in marketing who wants to kill the "Fast GS" project. Though the speeds of the "fast" machines range from 5.6 Mhz to 7.x Mhz, no one seems willing to talk about the possibility of a faster GS. We can only hope that someone will relieve this person of his position before he does any more irreparable damage to the II line. (go check the sales figures quickly and you will find that the IIgs has outsold the Mac II by a margin of 3:1, but this isn't really a terribly valid point since the Mac II has been out a shorter time... but still, the IIgs has sold enough units so that it has, in 18 months, sold almost half a many macs in existence... and THAT took 4 years to accomplish!) Part of this problem that this marketing guy has with the "Fast GS" is that there was a guy who either works for the company or is an outside developer (I haven't nailed down which) that jury-rigged a IIgs to go about 15 Mhz using a special preview gallium arsenide version of the gs cpu (or beyond, the 65832 is available to the military). The marketing folks are also scared that it will bite into the mac's market... they don't seem to realize that the markets are very distinct, but then again, that's their loss. While there had been speculation that the fabled "ProDOS/16 V2.0" project had been completely shelved, people were only half correct: ProDOS 2.0 *HAS NOT* been shelved. At the recent developers comference held at the end of april, Apple showed select developers what the new ProDOS could do. The reactions I heard ranged from "Amazing" to "Incredible." The new OS is also downwardly compatible with the "old" ProDOS. From yet other sources I pieced together another part of the puzzle: It seems that while Apple was trying to develop the CD-ROM drive it realized that it was going to be hard, if not impossible to expand ProDOS to the extent that it could address all that capacity on the CD-ROM and remain completely backward compatible, they did the *BETTER* thing and have ported the Macintosh HFS (Hierarchical Filing System) over to the IIgs. That's right, ProDOS/16 V2.0 will be able to read *AND WRITE* to Mac disks. This is where that rumor around mid-january came from that ProDOS 2.0 had been killed. In fact, the *OLD* ProDOS 2.0 project HAD been killed, and the ProDOS HFS project instituted in its place. The HFS project is nearly done, so I would expect an actual product sometime mid-summer (not AppleFest, sorry). HFS would be an interesting concept because then the two machine lines would be running the same operating system... this opens a lot of doors. For once, bravo Apple! end -- part 1 ( Subj ) Apple.stuff.2 ( Brd ) Apple IIGS Board ( From ) Sound Wave (#2) ( To: ) All ( Date ) 05/06/88 11:35:00 PM ( Num ) 128 of 128 It also seems that some folks from the management at Claris Corp (Apple's software division which usually specializes in Mac products while leeching the profits from AppleWorks to fund further mac development... grrr) got to see pre-beta copy of StyleWare's unannounced "GS Works" integrated IIgs package, and were so impressed by it that they want to buy the product from the company. Claris was evidently *SERIOUSLY* impressed with what GS Works could do and wants to make it the next AppleWorks (yes, yet another cash cow so that Apple II products can finance Mac product development.. a sorry state of affairs, but something Apple II users have grown used to). If Claris buys it, I wonder if they will kill the product (to keep it from becoming competitive withe the Mac) or actually market it. Let's all hope that *IF* they do buy it that Kevin Harvey (the pres of StyleWare) has the brains to put a clause in the contract *FORCING* Claris to put it out... Well, that's all for now. I'm sure there will be some interesting stuff at AppleFest, but don't look for anything official from Apple. The interesting stuff will all be at back-room showings of secret products and murmurings at the official parties... see you there! Sound Wave ps - please distribute this far and wide, ESPECIALLY to anyone remotely involved with Apple Computer.... there may yet be some hope..
taro@uhccux.UUCP (05/12/88)
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Just how reliable is this info. It sounds all to good to be true, kinda like
a GS wish list, and the note said to not make this public? I wish this were
all true, but I am inclined not to believe it. A Mac emulator board? Now
why would they want to do that, being so afraid of having the GS intrude on
the Mac market, but maybe they're becoming enlightened. Who knows, maybe
Companies are begining to think of the customer, naaaah.
If this were all true, rest assured I'd be one of the first in line for the
upgrade.
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scott@geowhiz.UUCP (Scott Kempf) (05/12/88)
Before we all get excited and start spreading rumors: Can anyone verify this. Apple still claims they are not working on a faster //gs. _______________________________________________________________________________ Scott Kempf Blue itself teaches us blue. -Bill Ranson MAIL: 1302 Rutledge St., Madison, WI 53703 PHONE: (608) 255-6205 (home) UUCP: {seismo, topaz, harvard, ihnp4}!uwvax!geowhiz!scott ARPA: geowhiz!scott@spool.cs.wisc.edu PHONE: (608) 262-6154 (work) BITNET: scott%geowhiz.uucp%spool.cs.wisc.edu@wiscvm.bitnet
laba-4an@web4d.berkeley.edu.UUCP (05/13/88)
In article <782@geowhiz.UUCP> scott@geowhiz.UUCP (Scott Kempf) writes: > > Before we all get excited and start spreading rumors: > > Can anyone verify this. > > Apple still claims they are not working on a faster //gs. Yes, let's get this story checked out... it sounded a bit like The Unknown User on a bad drug trip :-) I can believe that Apple would be going over to the Mac HFS system (the way they worship that machine...). It might be better that way (easy transfer of files, FASTER DISK STARTUP TIMES, etc.), although I'm not sure what that is going to do to a hard disk (talk to First Class Peripherals about an HFS partition...) Let's go to bed tonight with our fantasies calmly locked in place (but it doesn't hurt to dream a little, does it?) -- laba-4an@widow.berkeley.edu (Andy McFadden) "No matter where you go, there you are."