POLKOSNI@QCVAX.BITNET (05/16/88)
I have been having problems with kermit ever since I got the 65c02 upgrade for
my //e. Kermit does not work for me anymore at all when I connect or try to
send/get. I have tried to turn interrupts on/off. With them on kermit locks up
as soon as I connect, with them off kermit locks up after I press a key...I
have tried fiddling with the switches on my modem, and that fixes that problem
with other programs like AE, but it seems to make no difference with kermit.
(I have a sscard and prometheus 1200, and I upgraded the //e by buying a 65c02
and having a friend burn the eproms for me. I thought it might be the new way
interrupts are handled in the 65c02, but all other telecom programs I have work
fine with the upgrade.) I have had a few versions of kermit and none of them
work now.
By the way, I just got the new kermit, and I hit a few backspaces at the
KERMIT> prompt and it crashed...try it.
>walter<SEWALL@UCONNVM.BITNET (Murph Sewall) (05/16/88)
>I have been having problems with kermit ever since I got the 65c02 upgrade for >my //e. Kermit does not work for me anymore at all when I connect or try to >send/get. I have tried to turn interrupts on/off. With them on kermit locks up >as soon as I connect, with them off kermit locks up after I press a key...I >have tried fiddling with the switches on my modem, and that fixes that problem >with other programs like AE, but it seems to make no difference with kermit. >(I have a sscard and prometheus 1200, and I upgraded the //e by buying a 65c02 >and having a friend burn the eproms for me. I thought it might be the new way Ah, there's the rub. Unlike most commware, Kermit actually USES Applesoft ROM routines for I/O (which is why your problem appears when you try file transfer). Whyever don't you get your ROM's from Apple instead of trying to pirate what is really a pretty cheap upgrade. OR just leave the old ROM chips in (I'm using a 65C02 but haven't upgraded the ROM's, I've found only a few pieces of software that won't work; most things either work on an unenhanced //e or only need the 65C02 but not the ROMs). If your going to violate copyright in public, don't expect a lot of sympathy. >interrupts are handled in the 65c02, but all other telecom programs I have work >fine with the upgrade.) I have had a few versions of kermit and none of them >work now. >By the way, I just got the new kermit, and I hit a few backspaces at the >KERMIT> prompt and it crashed...try it. I tried hitting a LOT of bacspaces at the prompt with both the ProDOS and DOS 3.3 versions. All I get is a "beep" (^G). By the "new" kermit, I take it you mean 3.83. --------------------- Disclaimer: The "look and feel" of this message is exclusively MINE! (subject to change without notice; void where prohibited) ARPA: sewall%uconnvm.bitnet@mitvma.mit.edu Murphy A. Sewall BITNET: SEWALL@UCONNVM School of Business Admin. UUCP: ...ihnp4!psuvax1!UCONNVM.BITNET!SEWALL University of Connecticut
kamath@reed.UUCP (Sean Kamath) (05/18/88)
In article <BIG NUMBERS> SEWALL@UCONNVM.BITNET (Murph Sewall) writes: >> [misc problems with Kermit and a "65c02" upgrade. . .] >> >>I upgraded the //e by buying a 65c02 and having a friend burn the eproms >>for me. OK, this is wrong. But at least he could have just said "I enhanced my //e". In anycase. . . >Ah, there's the rub. Unlike most commware, Kermit actually USES Applesoft >ROM routines for I/O (which is why your problem appears when you try >file transfer). Yes, but a lot of stuff uses applesoft routines for math as well. >Whyever don't you get your ROM's from Apple instead of trying to pirate >what is really a pretty cheap upgrade. OR just leave the old ROM chips >in (I'm using a 65C02 but haven't upgraded the ROM's, I've found only a >few pieces of software that won't work; most things either work on an >unenhanced //e or only need the 65C02 but not the ROMs). Yeah. It was $70 and I kept everything. In anycase, using a 65C02 instead of the 6502 isn't really going to do much for you. In fact, darn little besides letting you run BLU. What is important (as far as I see it) is A) that you can now use interrupts more easily, and B) the screen update is a lot faster, as well as interruptable. This is all in the ROM, not the 65C02. (Yeah, I know you know this, but do *they*? :-) ) Sincethe new ROM's don't use any 65C02 code, you could actually just use the new ROM's. . . >If your going to violate copyright in public, don't expect a lot of >sympathy. No sympathy here. He should at least have known what he was doing. . . :-) Actually, I burned my own Proms (and thanks to jsilva, I can do that again) so that I could get rid of various and sundry nasty things in the monitor, and speed up AppleSoft insignificantly with a faster bascalc routine. What sorta bothers me is that if he did burn the proms correctly, then why doesn' it work? If it's because of a new applesoft, then where did it come from, and how can it work on a //c? All versions of applesoft are identical on all ][+ and //e, but not in the c. This included an upgraded //e. I mean, the enhanced //e AppleSoft ROM's haven't changed. So . . . . What's really wrong here? My guess is that he has somehow gotten a bad PROM or somesuch, and he really ought to go buy an upgrade. >--------------------- >Disclaimer: The "look and feel" of this message is exclusively MINE, > except when I modify it. > (subject to change without notice; void everywhere) > >ARPA: sewall%uconnvm.bitnet@mitvma.mit.edu Murphy A. Sewall >BITNET: SEWALL@UCONNVM School of Business Admin. >UUCP: ...ihnp4!psuvax1!UCONNVM.BITNET!SEWALL University of Connecticut Sean -- UUCP: {decvax allegra ucbcad ucbvax hplabs ihnp4}!tektronix!reed!kamath CSNET: reed!kamath@Tektronix.CSNET || BITNET: reed!kamath@PSUVAX1.BITNET ARPA: reed!kamath@PSUVAX1.CS.PSU.EDU US Snail: 3934 SE Boise, Portland, OR 97202-3126 (I hate 4 line .sigs!)
POLKOSNI@QCVAX.BITNET (05/20/88)
From: BITNET%"SEWALL@UCONNVM" 16-MAY-1988 00:40 >Whyever don't you get your ROM's from Apple instead of trying to pirate >what is really a pretty cheap upgrade. OR just leave the old ROM chips >in (I'm using a 65C02 but haven't upgraded the ROM's, I've found only a >few pieces of software that won't work; most things either work on an >unenhanced //e or only need the 65C02 but not the ROMs). >If your going to violate copyright in public, don't expect a lot of >sympathy. One of the reasons I got the eproms burned from a friend rather than getting the upgrade kit from Apple is that I heard that Apple confiscates your old chips when you get the upgrade. I will try running Kermit with the old roms in place (something I could not do if I got the Apple upgrade). The burned eproms contain the same stuff as the Apple upgrade roms so I doubt getting the upgrade will make a difference. BTW, the problem with backspace I had was when I was running Kermit in 40 columns. >walter<
halp@TCGOULD.TN.CORNELL.EDU ("Bruce P. Halpern") (05/23/88)
If you install the upgrade yourself, having purchased it from a discount source, you are free to make your old chips into cuff-links. ****DISCLAMER: My comments, etc., are my own shakey opinions ******** | Bruce P. Halpern Psychology & Neurobiology & Behavior Cornell Ithaca | | INTERNET:halp@tcgould.tn.cornell.edu BITNET:D57J@CORNELLA D57J@CRNLVAX5| | UUCP:{vax135,rochester,decvax}!cornell!batcomputer!halp | | PHONE: 607-255-6433 Uris Hall, Cornell U., Ithaca, NY 14853-7601 |