bfox%vision@HUB.UCSB.EDU (Brian Fox) (06/22/88)
Thanks to Bruce Halpern for pointing me at Brian Fox's address:
bfox@wheaties.ai.mit.edu The program is not as expensive as Sean
thought.
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Your AMACS program has been recommended to me.
I have a //e (128K, unenhanced) and a //c. (5.25 drives only). How much
is the program?
My Snail address is:
AMACS c/o Brian Fox
220 Ladera St. #214
Santa Barbara, CA. 93101
(805) 963-7843
The program costs $79.00. I don't happen to have a blurb on the program
availabe right now (my //gs is in Boston) but I can say that it is Emacs for
the Apple // family of computers.
Looking forward to more correspondence,
Brian Foxnews@steinmetz.ge.com (news) (06/24/88)
>availabe right now (my //gs is in Boston) but I can say that it is Emacs for >the Apple // family of computers. > >Looking forward to more correspondence, > > Brian Fox From: elliott@glacier.steinmetz () Path: glacier!elliott I must admit, I find this extremely intriguing. I wish you HAD posted a blurb; I am a GNU-Emacs addict, and would LOVE to have an editor on my apple which uses a similar kind of interface. That alone might be enough to pay $80 for. HOWEVER, I find it impossible to believe that AMACS is actually "Emacs for the apple". For that to be true, it would have to be the most amazing implementation feat ever. (Including all the lisp libraries, Emacs amounts to many megs meg of source and object, and the Emacs I am writing this posting with is using over a meg of VIRTUAL MEMORY right now). Not even an AT&T 3B2/300 (a small UNIX machine with 1 meg ram and about 70 meg disk) can really deal with Emacs, so how on earth could an apple with a 64K address space? It seems much more likely to me that AMACS is a small subset of Emacs, which, as I mentioned would certainly be very nice in itself. But I'm sure Richard Stallman would prefer you not call it Emacs (or, at least, would prefer that you call it a subset or "ersatz Emacs", as he says...) So, please clarify exactly what AMACS does. Is it extensible? How does that work, with Emacs Lisp? Or is it just a text editor with emacs-like key bindings? I'm very interested... . . . . . . ... . . . . . . . . . . ... . . Jim Elliott / ...!seismo!uunet!steinmetz!crd!elliott / "Don't look, son, it's / Jim_Elliott%mts@itsgw.rpi.edu [school] a secular humanist!" / (or) elliott@ge-crd.arpa [work] . . . . . . ... . . . . . . . . . . ... . .
gwyn@brl-smoke.ARPA (Doug Gwyn ) (06/24/88)
In article <11339@steinmetz.ge.com> elliott@glacier.steinmetz.ge.com (Jim Elliott) writes:
-It seems much more likely to me that AMACS is a small subset of Emacs,
-which, as I mentioned would certainly be very nice in itself. But I'm
-sure Richard Stallman would prefer you not call it Emacs (or, at
-least, would prefer that you call it a subset or "ersatz Emacs", as he
-says...)
I wasn't aware that Stallman owned EMACS. Real EMACS is a humongous TECO
macro. So there.SEWALL@UCONNVM.BITNET (Murph Sewall) (06/25/88)
>So, please clarify exactly what AMACS does. Is it extensible? How does >that work, with Emacs Lisp? Or is it just a text editor with >emacs-like key bindings? I'm very interested... I don't believe Brian Fox (author of AMACS) is a regular reader of info-apple, however I did post his email address (for those who missed it) it's: bfox@wheaties.ai.mit.edu I know that's a good address, because he replied. Evidently he's spending the Summer in California, and his mit address is auto-forwarding his mail. Several people have posted a USnail address which also may be forwarding, but for the time being the most DIRECT postal address is (I say again) - AMACS c/o Brian Fox 220 Ladera St. #214 Santa Barbara, CA. 93101 (805) 963-7843 --------------------- Disclaimer: --- My employer isn't responsible for my mistakes AND vice-versa! (subject to change without notice; void where prohibited) ARPA: sewall%uconnvm.bitnet@mitvma.mit.edu Murphy A. Sewall BITNET: SEWALL@UCONNVM School of Business Admin. UUCP: {rutgers psuvax1 ucbvax & in Europe - mcvax} Univ. of Connecticut !UCONNVM.BITNET!SEWALL "It might help if we ran the MBA's out of Washington." - Adm Grace Hopper
bfox%vision@HUB.UCSB.EDU (Brian Fox) (06/25/88)
It seems much more likely to me that AMACS is a small subset of Emacs,
which, as I mentioned would certainly be very nice in itself. But I'm
sure Richard Stallman would prefer you not call it Emacs (or, at least,
would prefer that you call it a subset or "ersatz Emacs", as he says...)
I work for Richard Stallman; we are writing GNU together, along with others.
I don't call my program "Emacs", I call it AMACS. It *is* an Emacs for the
Apple; the closest Emacs to it is Twenex Emacs. It is a subset of Gnu Emacs,
and it doesn't have a Lisp builtin (this version, anyway) but I wouldn't call
it small. Try my demo offer; then decide for yourself. I will be glad to
have you review this editor as long as you make public your findings. If you
are interested, please reply publicly; you have made your negatice, and
unfounded opinions public already.
RMS called MINCE an "ersatz emacs"; AMACS is not even close to MINCE in its
limitations.
Brian Foxelliott@glacier.steinmetz (06/26/88)
In article <8149@brl-smoke.ARPA> gwyn@brl.arpa (Doug Gwyn (VLD/VMB) <gwyn>) writes: >I wasn't aware that Stallman owned EMACS. Real EMACS is a humongous TECO >macro. So there. What you are referring to is the initial implementation of EMACS. Yes, it was done in macros in the TECO editor, which were written by (guess who?) Richard Stallman. However, I doubt many people use that implementation anymore. Stallman's current Emacs, GNU-Emacs is vastly technically superior. And it is free. GNU-Emacs is "owned" by the Free Software Foundation, and has been ported to many machines. If it works on your machine, you can get it for free. That is the way the licensing agreement works. (See "The GNU Manifesto" for a more detailed description of the Free Software Foundation's philosophy). When I mentioned Stallman's concern over calling a small subset of Emacs an "Emacs", I was referring to a quote from him in an article describing the history and evolution of Emacs-like editors. There are some extremely subtle and powerful things about Emacs which are often not implemented in subsets (since they require Emacs to be a very fast and efficient interpreted language, and are very taxing on small systems). Stallman does not want people who are using these subsets to mistakenly believe they are using a full Emacs, for they then may never know the full power of an open, extensible editor, and the kind of environment for thought and creation that it provides. . . . . . . ... . . . . . . . . . . ... . . Jim Elliott / ...!seismo!uunet!steinmetz!crd!elliott / "Don't look, son, it's / Jim_Elliott%mts@itsgw.rpi.edu [school] a secular humanist!" / (or) elliott@ge-crd.arpa [work] . . . . . . ... . . . . . . . . . . ... . .
crimmins@csli.STANFORD.EDU (Mark Crimmins) (06/26/88)
In article <8806250432.aa08712@SMOKE.BRL.ARPA> bfox%cornu@hub.ucsb.edu writes: >I work for Richard Stallman; we are writing GNU together, along with others. >I don't call my program "Emacs", I call it AMACS. It *is* an Emacs for the >Apple; the closest Emacs to it is Twenex Emacs. It is a subset of Gnu Emacs, >and it doesn't have a Lisp builtin (this version, anyway) but I wouldn't call >it small. Try my demo offer; then decide for yourself. I will be glad to >Brian Fox What demo offer? Is this a private offer to someone, or do you have a demo that I can get cheap? Also, does AMACS have mouse cursor positioning, or is it entirely key-based (I use a Kermit enhancement to use mouse cursor positioning with mainframe Emacs, GNUEmacs, and so on; it makes editing so much easier)? Can it work from a ram disk (like the Applied Engineering Z-Rams)? Does it support extra memory in other ways? Thanks for any information, Mark Crimmins crimmins@csli.stanford.edu
elliott@glacier.steinmetz (06/26/88)
In article <8806250432.aa08712@SMOKE.BRL.ARPA> bfox%cornu@hub.ucsb.edu writes: >I work for Richard Stallman; we are writing GNU together, along with others. >I don't call my program "Emacs", I call it AMACS. It *is* an Emacs for the >Apple; the closest Emacs to it is Twenex Emacs. It is a subset of Gnu Emacs, >and it doesn't have a Lisp builtin (this version, anyway) but I wouldn't call >it small. Try my demo offer; then decide for yourself. I will be glad to >have you review this editor as long as you make public your findings. If you >are interested, please reply publicly; you have made your negatice, and >unfounded opinions public already. Please don't accuse me of voicing opinions about AMACS! Reading my posting carefully should have revealed that I have never seen it, and am very eager to do so. I was expressing doubt over another person's claim that it was "Emacs for the Apple". Largely this was because I did not want to get too excited about it; I very much like Emacs, and am extremely frustrated with all the editors I have seen on the Apple. From what you have said above, AMACS sounds like an >extremely< worthwhile package, much more than I was even optimistically hoping when I said it might be worth the $80 price tag that was quoted. Finally, I was not complaining about your choice of name, but another person who had (mistakenly, I believed at the time) called it Emacs. So, far from being negative, my opinions of AMACS are unformed, but eagerly curious. . . . . . . ... . . . . . . . . . . ... . . Jim Elliott / ...!seismo!uunet!steinmetz!crd!elliott / "Don't look, son, it's / Jim_Elliott%mts@itsgw.rpi.edu [school] a secular humanist!" / (or) elliott@ge-crd.arpa [work] . . . . . . ... . . . . . . . . . . ... . .