[comp.sys.apple] Zip Chip & II+

mw22+@andrew.cmu.edu (Michael Alan Wertheim) (01/10/89)

For Zip technologies address, look in a copy of Nibble magazine for one of their
ads.

BUT BE CAREFUL!

I have been using a Zip Chip in my Apple //c for a few months and have had no
problems with it whatsoever.  A friend of mine who has an Apple II+ asked me if
he could try the Zip Chip out on his computer.  We tried it, and some very
strange things happened -- once the computer simple locked up, forcing us to
reboot, and later, when running an Applesoft program that my friend has used for
years, it gave us a syntax error in a line that was correct.

Moral: THE ZIP CHIP DOES NOT WORK WITH THE APPLE II+.



Michael Wertheim
Carnegie Mellon University
Pittsburgh, PA

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akuo@cory.Berkeley.EDU (Augie Kuo) (01/10/89)

I've used my Zip Chip in my II+ and I've had no problems.  What may have happen-
ed is a poor pin connection when you removed the chip from the //c to the II+.
When I first got one, switched it back and forth between my II+ and my //e and
eventually the pin connection to the actual chip probably broke and it did weird
things...I'd wiggle it and then it'd work but later it'd die again.

I got it replaced and since then I haven't taken it out so it doesn't have any
problems anymore.  Their packaging (the chip) is REALLY cheap so like it says
in the manual, don't take it out.

Augie

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blume@netmbx.UUCP (Heiko Blume) (01/11/89)

In article <sXmGYty00XcQI0RVko@andrew.cmu.edu> mw22+@andrew.cmu.edu (Michael Alan Wertheim) writes:
>when running an Applesoft program that my friend has used for
>years, it gave us a syntax error in a line that was correct.
>Moral: THE ZIP CHIP DOES NOT WORK WITH THE APPLE II+.

don't draw such conclusion too fast please, i have seen many socalled ][+ boards
that don't behave all the same because of differences in the chips used. nearly
all manufacturers of chips are present in apple // computers. these 'syntax
error' problem are common when experiencing problems with (bus) timing and
refresh logic. that is, you get non-deterministic results. try replacing
chips crucial for timing with high quality ones (TI etc).
have fun with your apples !

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mw22+@andrew.cmu.edu (Michael Alan Wertheim) (01/12/89)

After trying out the Zip Chip in my friend's II+, we put his 6502 back into the
II+, and his II+ has been working well ever since.  I put the Zip Chip back in
my //c and it has been working well, too.

The reason I jumped to the conclusion that the Zip Chip doesn't work in the II+
is that my friend had previously asked his local Apple dealer about the Zip
Chip, and the dealer told him that the Zip Chip doesn't work with the II+.

MORAL:  Either the Zip Chip doesn't work well with the II+, or it does work with
the II+ but you have to be REAL sure that it is connected properly.


Michael Wertheim
Carnegie Mellon University
Pittsburgh, PA

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