numccann@PLAINS.NODAK.EDU ("Lester I. McCann") (01/12/89)
Thanks to Murph Sewall, I managed to get Kermit 3.85 installed last night, without so much as a single disk grind. Apparently the secret is to use Kermit on a DOS 3.3 disk to download the two files (APP385.1 and APP385.2) directly to a DOS 3.3 disk, and then install them. I had been downloading with a ProDOS Kermit and using CONVERT from the old ProDOS User's Disk to transfer the files to DOS 3.3. Note that the Kermit executable file runs on either ProDOS or DOS; there really aren't two different versions. Lester McCann numccann@plains.nodak.edu
SEWALL@UCONNVM.BITNET (Murph Sewall) (01/12/89)
> ...the secret is to use >Kermit on a DOS 3.3 disk to download the two files (APP385.1 and APP385.2) >directly to a DOS 3.3 disk, and then install them. Moral: even if you use Kermit under ProDOS, save the most recent DOS 3.3 disk you had to make to EXEC the EZ Install and then use that to download the next version when it comes along. The EZ Install works only under DOS 3.3 (sometimes it's amazing that it works at all, but if you are *especially* nice, it WILL work :-). Some Apples (with only 48K -- make nice "dumb terminals" even if they can't run the latest gee whiz software) and old Franklin's (which don't have a patched ProDOS around) wouldn't be able to make a new version if Kermit's EZ Install only worked under ProDOS. Murph Sewall Vaporware? ---> [Gary Larson returns 1/1/90] Prof. of Marketing Sewall@UConnVM.BITNET Business School sewall%uconnvm.bitnet@mitvma.mit.edu [INTERNET] U of Connecticut {psuvax1 or mcvax }!UCONNVM.BITNET!SEWALL [UUCP] -+- I don't speak for my employer, though I frequently wish that I could (subject to change without notice; void where prohibited) According to the American Facsimile Association, more than half the calls from Japan to the U.S. are fax calls. FAX it to me at: 1-203-486-5246
aash@ms.uky.edu (aashi deacon) (01/12/89)
I got another kermit from columbia, and it's archived
with the last one. I may delete the other version
sometime, but it's in three parts, whereas the one
I just got was only in two.
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I think I'm jumping on the "Primos sucks" bandwagon. SEWALL@UCONNVM.BITNET (Murph Sewall) (01/12/89)
>I've always downloaded Kermit to my CMS hd under prodos and then used Copy2+ >to move it over to a DOS disk with no problems... Could it be Apple's old >utility disk??? > >Joe I suspect Apple's CONVERT copies files from AS-IS (all 8 bits) from one operating system format to the other without regard for file type. NORMALLY, ProDOS 'TXT' files have the 8th bit off (zero, down, clear, whatever), while DOS 3.3 'T' files have the bit set. MOST (not all) DOS 3.3 software (word processors, whatever) don't care whether the 8th bit is set or not (after all it's SUPPOSED to be a 7-bit file). I have seen some *strange* interpretations of the carriage return character when the 8th bit is the opposite of what's expected, but that's unusual. I haven't done any real analysis of the EZ Install, but I suspect it uses some of those cute "when is an EXEC file not an EXEC file" tricks described in this month's Call-A.P.P.L.E. The 8th bit seems to matter. Text files downloaded with XModem (whether to ProDOS *or* DOS 3.3) are unlikely to have the 8th bit set (the 8th bit off is the standard used by MS-DOS, Commodore, Tandy, whatever) unless the commware has a special option for setting the bit (some word processors will let you "twiddle the bit" just by loading the file and saving it -- not all that easy to do with a 55K file on an Apple :-) Kermit-65 KNOWS a text file isn't a binary and sets the bit as appropriate for the operating system (so does Copy II+ apparently -- Copy II+ might even set the bit for a copy downloaded by XModem just by copying the file from one disk to another). Murph Sewall Vaporware? ---> [Gary Larson returns 1/1/90] Prof. of Marketing Sewall@UConnVM.BITNET Business School sewall%uconnvm.bitnet@mitvma.mit.edu [INTERNET] U of Connecticut {psuvax1 or mcvax }!UCONNVM.BITNET!SEWALL [UUCP] -+- I don't speak for my employer, though I frequently wish that I could (subject to change without notice; void where prohibited) According to the American Facsimile Association, more than half the calls from Japan to the U.S. are fax calls. FAX it to me at: 1-203-486-5246