SEWALL@UCONNVM.BITNET (12/08/87)
So far... (sorry, folks my mailer doesn't have one of those handy name and id-tag extractors; I do the best I can with obsolecent <IBM> equipment). ->IBM is also at version 3.3. Does this mean that this will be the last ->update of MS-DOS, or is this just a coincidence? ->Premature to predict the end of IBM's dominance of desktop computing, It appears that MS-DOS also stops at 3.3 which has nothing to do with whether IBM dominates desktop computing (I thought the PC market was dominated by Asian clone makers anyway). Apple has ProDOS, IBM has OS/2 (supposed to be on retail shelves this month -- memory hog -- has anyone actually seen a copy?). It appears it'll be 6 months to a year before anything other than demoware that actually requires OS/2 will be around) CP/M may have been a "serious" operating system (for cost effective CP/M it made more sense to buy a Z80 computer), but I've been quite serious using DOS 3.3 for some years now (shoot I can remember when 32K was a BIG mainframe). I'm saving my $$$ for a Mac II+ (the 68030 machine); meanwhile I continue plinking away on Apple II and let the big number cruncher (IBM mainframe) do the big stuff. --------------------- ARPA: sewall%uconnvm.bitnet@cunyvm.cuny.edu Murphy A. Sewall BITNET: SEWALL@UCONNVM School of Business Admin. UUCP: ...ihnp4!psuvax1!UCONNVM.BITNET!SEWALL University of Connecticut
lc@pbhyd.UUCP (Larry Colton) (12/08/87)
In article <8712080914.aa24999@SMOKE.BRL.ARPA> SEWALL@UCONNVM.BITNET writes: > {stuff deleted} >It appears that MS-DOS also stops at 3.3 which has nothing to do with > {more deleted} Nah... MS-DOS 3.4 and 3.5 have already been discussed (if not announced). 3.4 is to fix bugs and 3.5 to add a a feature or two. The real question is: who cares? This is the Apple newsgroup, right? :-) --- Larry Colton {ihnp4,pyramid,qantel}!ptsfa!pbhyd!lc Pacific * Bell San Diego
CHRIS@BROWNVM.BITNET (Christopher Chung) (02/13/88)
>Chris, Glen Bredon (Pro Sel author) has a shareware program that lets you >set up DOS 3.3 volumes on both 3.5 and hard disks. It's available on >Compuserve, as is documentation. I have used it on 3.5" disks (5 old >DOS disks on each), and now that I've used it awhile with no problems I >will move the stuff over to my hard disk (even with back-ups, I'm careful >what I do with anything holding 10 Megs of programs and data (my HD20 is >half full at present)). >Hope this helps! What is the program called? Also for those of us who don't have compuserve is there any other place to get it. Maybe someone could send it to APPLE2-L???? Chris
halp@TCGOULD.TN.CORNELL.EDU ("Bruce P. Halpern") (02/14/88)
I believe the program comes when one buys ProSEL from Glen Bredon. For a 3.5 disk, at least the ProSel programs UNI.HEADER and UNI.FORMAT are available. UNI.FORMAT will format a 3.5 disk such that 1/4 of the volume is DOS3.3 (or 100% ProDOS if you prefer). Instructions are provided to use UNI.HEADER to create a version of DOS3.3 that will work on 3.5 disks. Note that the resultant operating system, UNO.DOS, can be run only from ProSel (which is itself a good thing to have). There is no specific mention of hard disks in my ProSel documentation for UNI.HEADER. There is discussion of hard disks with reference to DOS.HEADER, a program that allows DOS3.3 programs to be run from Prosel. For more info: Glen E. Bredon, 521 State Road, Princeton NJ 08540. ProSel costs $40. The current version, v3.3, fixes the "wrong day of the week in 1988 display" problem. ****DISCLAMER: My comments, etc., are my own shakey opinions ******** | Bruce P. Halpern Psychology & Neurobiology & Behavior Cornell Ithaca | | INTERNET:halp@tcgould.tn.cornell. BITNET:D57J@CORNELLA D57J@CRNLVAX5| | UUCP:rochester!cornell!batcomputer!halp | | PHONE: 607-255-6433 Uris Hall, Cornell U., Ithaca, NY 14853-7601 |
lwv@n8emr.UUCP (Larry W. Virden) (02/29/88)
Interesting that you should mention this. I have been discussion distribution of software with several folks, and Glen is one of these people! The package that you ask about is called DOS.MASTER. It allows one to partition a 3.5" into a DOS 3.3 partition and a ProDos partition. I havent gotten the software, so I dont know how many DOS 3.3 partitions there are, but I believe htat each is a max of 40 track 5.25" number of blocks... Anyways, the REAL crux of the matter is that Glen, F. Zink (author of BLU), Neil Shaprio, Jason Harper, etc. seem to feel that if an author has a copyright on their software, then one should NEVER post it to another network without getting the author's permission first. This is a part of the author's defense of their copyright, and that if an author doesnt do this, they could be in danger of losing their copyright status. Thus, if you DO plan on sending CIS downloaded software to Apple2-L, etc., please be sure to see if the author has provided prior permission to do so within their doc - if not, then contact the author for permission. It is only right that if an author has taken the time and trouble to write software that their rights be protected. P.S. Since I cannot get messages thru to the Bitnet servers, I will be unable to post all the wonderful programs that I get from CIS. Sorry folks, if we just had a comp.binaries.apple I could post things there and someone on Bitnet could forward them along... -- Larry W. Virden 75046,606 (CIS) 674 Falls Place, Reynoldsburg, OH 43068 (614) 864-8817 cbosgd!n8emr!lwv (UUCP) cbosgd!n8emr!lwv@PSUVAX1 (BITNET) We haven't inherited the world from our parents, but borrowed it from our children.
GREYELF@WPI.BITNET (02/13/89)
to execute a dos command from assembly just prefix it with a ctrl-d and after the command send a ctrl-m Remember, this is for DOS 3.3 only...
paul@athertn.Atherton.COM (Paul Sander) (02/16/89)
In article <8902122043.AA06380@wpi>, GREYELF@WPI.BITNET writes: > to execute a dos command from assembly > just prefix it with a ctrl-d and after the command send a ctrl-m > > Remember, this is for DOS 3.3 only... Back in 1980, I ported a "tiny" Pascal compiler (found in Byte Magazine, written in BASIC) to the Apple II. In order to perform any file access from my Pascal programs (which had an Assembly language runtime environment) I had to prefix the CTRL-D with a CTRL-M. It seemed that whenever the last character typed before a DOS command prefix (CTRL-D) was not a carriage return, the command was ignored. -- Paul Sander (408) 734-9822 | Do YOU get nervous when a paul@Atherton.COM | sys{op,adm,prg,engr} says {decwrl,sun,hplabs!hpda}!athertn!paul | "oops..." ?