thomas-m@ketch.cis.ohio-state.edu (Malcolm Thomas) (02/07/89)
This issue may have been raised long before but I need to satisfy my curiousity. ISSUE: Why doesn't some developer make some controller that can hook up an Apple (+/e/c) to an IBM hardrive? Even if the controller costs a fortune, at least the wealth of drive choices would justify it. Are those disk drives so incompatible with the II line? Would some developer/`someone who knows'/`someone who thinks they know'/`someone who heard someone who thinks they know' please reply. Inquiring minds want to know and store it on an affordable hard drive. --------------------------------------------------------------------- thomas-m@cis.ohio-state.edu | "Start of witty saying... 196 W. 11th Ave, Apt 320 | ...witty saying... Columbus, OH 43210 | ...end of witty saying." --------------------------------------------------------------------- -=- -------------------------------------------------------------------- thomas-m@cis.ohio-state.edu | "Start of witty saying... 196 W. 11th Ave, Apt 320 | ...witty saying...
akuo@cory.Berkeley.EDU (Augie Kuo) (02/08/89)
In article <34040@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu> Malcolm Thomas <thomas-m@cis.ohio-state.edu> writes: > >This issue may have been raised long before but I need to satisfy my >curiousity. > >ISSUE: > >Why doesn't some developer make some controller that can hook up an >Apple (+/e/c) to an IBM hardrive? Even if the controller costs a fortune, >at least the wealth of drive choices would justify it. > >Are those disk drives so incompatible with the II line? Would some >developer/`someone who knows'/`someone who thinks they know'/`someone who >heard someone who thinks they know' please reply. Someone already posted a "How to make your own hard disk" awhile ago, so I'm sending you the file. I think it's more profitable for companies to buy "IBM type" drives, package it in a nice box with controller card and power supply and then sell it for a heftysum (a la First Class Peripherals). Thus I doubt anyone would advertise for the controller and you'd most likely find a host adapter card only at a hard-core computer store. Good luck on making your own hard drive! ______________________________________________________________ ARPA: akuo@cory.berkeley.edu UUCP: augie@bsw.uu.net
c08_d042@jhunix.HCF.JHU.EDU (Stdnt 42) (02/08/89)
In article <34040@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu> Malcolm Thomas <thomas-m@ cis.ohio-state.edu> writes: >Why doesn't some developer make some controller that can hook up an >Apple (+/e/c) to an IBM hardrive? Even if the controller costs a fortune, >at least the wealth of drive choices would justify it. > >Are those disk drives so incompatible with the II line? Would some >developer/`someone who knows'/`someone who thinks they know'/`someone who >heard someone who thinks they know' please reply. > >thomas-m@cis.ohio-state.edu Well they already exist, and aren't very expensive at all. In fact a friend of mine back in connecticut has a card and seagate setup that works without problems. the only company I know of that makes them also had ads in A+ magazine the last time I checked. They'll sell you a interface with cable for any hard drive that uses the ST-506 interface specification (all normal, non-SCSI Seagates) for $200. With current prices of a Seagate ST-225 (20 meg hard drive) at about $225 or less via reliable mail order companies, all you need is a simle power supply for the hard drive...make one yourself if you know how, or have the local electronics tech make you one. They're no more complicated than a run of the mill wall adapter that most hayes clone modems use. If you can't find ads in A+ look in summer and fall '88 back issues. Chris Coleman
blume@netmbx.UUCP (Heiko Blume) (02/09/89)
>>Why doesn't some developer make some controller that can hook up an >>Apple (+/e/c) to an IBM hardrive? Even if the controller costs a fortune, >>at least the wealth of drive choices would justify it. the thing you want is called megacore and i use it (with st506 hard disks). you can have prodos,ucsd,cp/m and dos 3.3 on it bootable in any combination. costs $500 or so. mail me if you need an address, havnt got it at hand. -- Heiko Blume | lazy : blume@netmbx.UUCP Seekorso 29 | crazy : ...!{pyramid,unido,altger}!tmpmbx!netmbx!blume 1 Berlin 22 | noisy : (+49 30) 365 55 71 | bbs : (+49 30) 365 75 01 WestGermany | telex : 183008 intro d | fax : (+49 30) 882 50 65
ralphw@ius3.ius.cs.cmu.edu (Ralph Hyre) (02/17/89)
In article <2132@netmbx.UUCP> blume@netmbx.UUCP (Heiko Blume) writes: >>>Why doesn't some developer make some controller that can hook up an >>>Apple (+/e/c) to an IBM hardrive? Even if the controller costs a fortune, >>>at least the wealth of drive choices would justify it. Someone does - Adaptec Makes a board called the ACB-4000 (and ACB-4070 for RLL drives). The connects between your 50-pin SCSI ribbon cable and two ST-412/506 drives. These can be found for $70-$100, depending on where you shop. Add a SCSI card for $130 and you've got an ST506 setup for $200. [you'd be on your own for software, unless Apple provides a formatter for 'generic' SCSI disks. You also need to be aware of which revision of Adaptec board firmware you get.] >the thing you want is called megacore and i use it (with st506 hard disks). >you can have prodos,ucsd,cp/m and dos 3.3 on it bootable in any combination. >costs $500 or so. mail me if you need an address, havnt got it at hand. Also, I believe there was an outfit called Perlin electronics which sold Apple II ST<whatever> interfaces for a time. -- - Ralph W. Hyre, Jr. Internet: ralphw@{ius{3,2,1}.,}cs.cmu.edu Phone:(412) CMU-BUGS Amateur Packet Radio: N3FGW@W2XO, or c/o W3VC, CMU Radio Club, Pittsburgh, PA "You can do what you want with my computer, but leave me alone!8-)" --
asd@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Kareth) (02/17/89)
In article <4293@pt.cs.cmu.edu> ralphw@ius3.ius.cs.cmu.edu (Ralph Hyre) writes: >In article <2132@netmbx.UUCP> blume@netmbx.UUCP (Heiko Blume) writes: >>>>Why doesn't some developer make some controller that can hook up an >>>>Apple (+/e/c) to an IBM hardrive? Even if the controller costs a fortune, >>>>at least the wealth of drive choices would justify it. >Someone does - Adaptec Makes a board called the ACB-4000 (and ACB-4070 >for RLL drives). The connects between your 50-pin SCSI ribbon cable and >two ST-412/506 drives. These can be found for $70-$100, depending on where >you shop. Add a SCSI card for $130 and you've got an ST506 setup for $200. What's the hard drive size limit or is there any? Only two drives? How's that supposed to work? Address of this company? >[you'd be on your own for software, unless Apple provides a formatter for >'generic' SCSI disks. You also need to be aware of which revision of >Adaptec board firmware you get.] A SCSI low-level formatter can be found on in the APPLE2-L archives I do believe. >>the thing you want is called megacore and i use it (with st506 hard disks). >>you can have prodos,ucsd,cp/m and dos 3.3 on it bootable in any combination. >>costs $500 or so. mail me if you need an address, havnt got it at hand. I located an add for this. The card can doesn't cost that much I think but can only handle 64Meg or so. >Also, I believe there was an outfit called Perlin electronics which sold >Apple II ST<whatever> interfaces for a time. Somebody said this wasn't a good place to get such a thing. kareth.
blochowi@cat28.CS.WISC.EDU (Jason Blochowiak) (02/19/89)
> you'd be on your own for software, unless Apple provides a formatter for > 'generic' SCSI disks. [...] I "home-brewed" a SeaGate 277N, a Tulin AHive case (with power supply), and an Apple SCSI card (rev. C). Apple's GS/OS Advanced Disk Utilities had no problem formatting and partitioning it, and ProDOS 8 has no problems reading it. I'm not sure, though, about a low-level format (I think ADU just did a high-level format, but I'm not at all sure). So, I doubt there'll be a problem. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Jason Blochowiak (blochowi@garfield.cs.wisc.edu) "Not your average iconoclast..." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------