AD1@TAUNOS.BITNET (10/26/88)
Does anyone know of some book store (or computer store) with a BIG variety
of IIgs related books (*beside* the guides & manuals by Apple)??Is there a
magazine/newsletter where you'd find a REASONABLE coverage for releases of
Apple-machines-insides books?(I mean **NOT** like A+/InCider/Nibble,dripping
information of this kind selectively and at 2-3 month delay at best.)
I put this note on MAUG a couple of weeks ago,and I hardly menaged
to handle the cascade of responses coming in right away [exactly _0_.{Counted
twice to be sure} :-( ].So I thought folks on Info-Apple might be a more
book-reading,intelectual population flatter flatter
Thanks in advance
AD1@TAUNOSsk2f+@ANDREW.CMU.EDU ("Seth D. Kadesh") (10/28/88)
Try Open-Apple, a monthly newsletter published by Tom Weishaar. I think its about eight pages long, but there is no advertising. I don't have the publishing info with me (it's at home - about eight hours away), but if you look through A+, you will find a small add for Open-Apple. It might not have exactly what you're looking for, but it is intelligent and well thought out, as well as being highly informative. -- Seth Kadesh sk2f+@andrew.cmu.edu The Mad scientist has made his return.
REWING@TRINCC.BITNET (10/30/88)
I always have the best luck at B. Dalton's. They usually have the best selection of computer books for any machine, including the Apple II series. If you were in Atlanta, I'd have to recommend the bookstore section of MicroCenter. For those not fortunate to have a dealer like this, they justopened up here. They take up what used to be a supermarket, and they have specific IBM, Macintosh and Apple II sections in the store, with the back dedicated to general peripherals. This place is ridiculous; everything you ever possibly wanted in a computer store, and its in stock. More Apple II software (and IIgs) than I've ever seen in one place. And finally, prices close to mail order for most software. Hopefully, more stores will follow their lead. --Rick Ewing Apple Atlanta
lwv@n8emr.UUCP (Larry W. Virden) (11/03/88)
Columbus Oh is the home of Micro Center (i bought an apple from them before almost anyone in the world knew of the store!) They have a HUGE home store here and a second branch which isnt shabby. The home store at one time a year or two ago was named the largest computer store in the world! They have a two story building with separate departments for books, supplies, furniture, Mac, IBM, Business (lans, Fortune 32:16 in the past, etc), and Personal Computers (Atari, Amiga, IBM, and Apple II). And they have a very nice suite of training classrooms and offices. Their prices are very competitive and they have a toll free number where folks can call to get info about ordering. -- Larry W. Virden 75046,606 (CIS) 674 Falls Place, Reynoldsburg, OH 43068 (614) 864-8817 osu-cis!n8emr!lwv (UUCP) osu-cis!n8emr!lwv@TUT.CIS.OHIO-STATE.EDU (INTERNET) We haven't inherited the world from our parents, but borrowed it from our children.
aehl@csd4.milw.wisc.edu (Donald J Aehl) (11/12/88)
In article <8810291334.aa12316@SMOKE.BRL.MIL> REWING@TRINCC.BITNET writes: >I always have the best luck at B. Dalton's. They usually have >the best selection of computer books for any machine, including the >Apple II series. (stuff deleted...) Just wanted to add my two cents worth... I just noticed a new store for computer's: Waldensoftware. I found one by accident the other day, it's pretty good. Seemed similar to B. Dalton's, but the prices were better and the selection was larger. I always wondered when Waldenbooks would put their foot in the software market... They've got a really large selection of computer books and software. If you're interested you might want to look them up... ============================================================================== ARPA: aehl@csd4.milw.wisc.edu USMAIL: Donald Aehl Box #204 3400 N. Maryland Ave. Milwaukee, WI 53211 (414) 229-7728 UUCP: uwmcsd1!uwm-evax!aehl ICBM: 43 4 58 N / 87 55 52 W ==============================================================================
bird@ihlpf.ATT.COM (Walters) (03/25/89)
Merlin 16+ has come in so it is time to start learning about my new
IIgs which means it is time to buy some books. The question is, "what
books?" I would like some advice from the people on the net. If you
would like to send me e-mail, I'll summerize to the net in a week or
so.
The (apparently) relevant books listed by A2~Central are:
Apple
Programmer's Intro to the IIgs (w/disk) $32.95
Apple IIgs Toolbox Reference Vol I $26.95
Apple IIgs Toolbox Reference Vol II $26.95
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$86.85
Gookin/Davis
Mastering the IIgs Toolbox $19.95
Adv Prog Tech for IIgs Toolbox $19.95
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$39.90
GS/OS, Prodos 16
Exploring Apple GS/OS and ProDOS 8 (Gary B. Little) $21.95
This book is a must for me based on how great his book on ProDOS 8
was. Unfortunately, it is out of print and cannot be found anywhere. I
know, I looked and looked. Maybe this is it with GS/OS added for good
measure.
Technical References
Technical Introduction to the IIgs $9.95
Apple IIgs Firmware Reference $24.95
Apple IIgs Hardware Reference $24.95
Apple Numerics Reference (new edition) $29.95
Human Interface Guidelines $14.95
Exploring the Apple IIgs (Gary B. Little) $22.95
Apple IIgs Tech Ref (Fischer) $19.95
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$147.20
There is some redundancy in this last list, however, I'm sure I'll get
the Gary B. Little book because he is a really good writer and
presents things ever so well. Also, I've heard that the Tech Intro for
$9.95 is a waste of time, unfortunately, that is a drop in the bucket
of the total price of these books.
Toolbox $86.85
Toolbox $39.90
GS/OS $21.95
Tech Ref $147.20
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Grand Total $295.90
Obviously, I'm not going to order all of these right now (and still
stay married). Which ones do I *really* need? With regards to the
toolbox books, "do they reflect the latest ROMs?" If not, "are there
updates coming soon so I should wait a bit?"
These prices from A2~Central include shipping and there is no state
tax. Does anyone have a source that has better prices overall?
Finally, don't you just hate the hard bound Addison-Wesley books? You
can't lay them flat beside you computer and glance at them from time
to time. Noooo, you have to lay a brick on the damn things? I sent
Apple a letter asking them if they would consider having these things
published in ring binder format so corrections and updates could be
bought and inserted. (Like the tech notes. They have always been good,
however, the latest version tops them all! Hats off to the tech
writers at Apple. A job *really* well done!)
I further pointed out that we were not interested in willing these
books to our descendants so they do not have to last the ages, just be
usable now!
--
Joe Walters att!ihlpf!bird
IHP 1F-240 (312) 416-5356mattd@Apple.COM (Matt Deatherage) (03/26/89)
In article <8057@ihlpf.ATT.COM> bird@ihlpf.ATT.COM (Walters) writes: >Exploring Apple GS/OS and ProDOS 8 (Gary B. Little) $21.95 > >This book is a must for me based on how great his book on ProDOS 8 >was. Unfortunately, it is out of print and cannot be found anywhere. I >know, I looked and looked. Maybe this is it with GS/OS added for good >measure. > Gary's book is good (Disclaimer: I was his technical editor for it and got my name included on one of those pages with the Roman Numberals), and I can easily recommend it. But if you're going to do something that you intend to distribute, you owe it to the people who use your programs to get the official Apple manuals. Why? Simply because a third-party book can include whatever it wants, but the Apple manuals contain what is *supported*, and what will work in the future. If there's a change to be made to those, Apple II DTS issues a Technical Note. For example, the IIgs Toolbox Reference (Volume 1), under the description of "DisposeAll", contains a clearly written warning noting that you should NOT use DisposeAll with an unmodified master userID, since this will dispose of the handle in which your code is executing. However, I can point to one IIgs third-party book on the shelves today that contains sample code (the kind that you're free to use in your own programs) that does *exactly this bad thing.* It does a DisposeAll on the program's master userID and then quits. Although this won't *always* crash, it will some of the time, and there are commercial products out there that do this because it was in this book. I like the third-part books; I have a dozen or so of them myself. But please don't use them as references when they are intended to be tutorials. >[stuff chopped out] (Like the tech notes. They have always been good, >however, the latest version tops them all! Hats off to the tech >writers at Apple. A job *really* well done!) > If you think the technical writers at Apple write the tech notes, think again. Unlike the manuals, the names of the DTS folks who created the tech notes are given at the beginning of each note. > Joe Walters att!ihlpf!bird > IHP 1F-240 (312) 416-5356 ============================================================================== Matt Deatherage, Apple Computer, Inc. | "The opinions expressed in this tome Send PERSONAL mail ONLY (please) to: | should not be construed to imply that AppleLink PE: Matt DTS GEnie: AIIDTS | Apple Computer, Inc., or any of its CompuServe: 76703,3030 | subsidiaries, in whole or in part, Usenet: mattd@apple.com | have any opinion on any subject." UUCP: (other stuff)!ames!apple!mattd | "So there." =============================================================================
mjohnson@Apple.COM (Mark B. Johnson) (03/26/89)
In article <27851@apple.Apple.COM> mattd@Apple.COM (Matt Deatherage) writes: >In article <8057@ihlpf.ATT.COM> bird@ihlpf.ATT.COM (Walters) writes: > >>[stuff chopped out] (Like the tech notes. They have always been good, >>however, the latest version tops them all! Hats off to the tech >>writers at Apple. A job *really* well done!) >> >If you think the technical writers at Apple write the tech notes, think again. >Unlike the manuals, the names of the DTS folks who created the tech notes >are given at the beginning of each note. > Not that DTS engineers are starving for attention, but the reason we now put Developer Technical Support on the bottom of all the even pages of the Tech Notes is to remind people where they come from and why they are updated constantly, and especially to let people know that you don't have to be a Partner or Associate to benefit from the work of the 30-40 people in this department (DTS) who are here to help over 10,000 developers and at least another 20,000 individuals who want to program Apple Computers. Not to blame the publications people, but if Tech Notes had to go through everything the manuals do, you'd be lucky to get them at all and I'd be looking for another job. :-) You should also know that Matt Deatherage is personally responsible for rewriting (or hounding others to rewrite and review) every Apple II Note which was released, and if it had been up to him they would have shipped in August as the AIIDTS group had promised. Mark B. Johnson AppleLink: mjohnson Developer Technical Support domain: mjohnson@Apple.com Apple Computer, Inc. UUCP: {amdahl,decwrl,sun,unisoft}!apple!mjohnson "You gave your life to become the person you are right now. Was it worth it?" - Richard Bach, _One_