keith@Apple.COM (Keith Rollin) (03/29/89)
Alright, here's a question for you all:
The success of Apple was based on the genius and creativeness of the people
who bought and used the computers. There was Bob Bishop (and his evil twin
brother, Bish Bobhop). There was Bill Budge. There was Paul Lutus. There were
the Beagle Brothers and all the young authors they sponsored. There was Roger
Wagner (who's still hanging in there!). There were the authors of VisiCalc.
Even Mike Westerfield was there in 1980 with the first version of ORCA/M.
Of course, there are thousands of others that I can't even begin to mention.
But the point is, we all know the names of these people for what they did for
the Apple II.
Which makes me wonder: what is happening out there right now? I am intensely
interested in hearing what wonderful things people are working on in their
spare time.
- Andy Nicolas has just recently made big splash with ShrinkIt.
- Dave Lyons has put out a number of wonderful programs, topped off
with that most wonderful of all utilities, Nifty List.
- Scott Lindsey tossed of a little integrated package now being
published by Claris.
- I myself have written a memory resident disk editor in the spirit
of Watson and The Inspector, and have also written an online help
system for BASIC.SYSTEM (it would describe commands, explain why the
error that just occured did so, had a built-in calculator, number
base converter, notepad, and calender...all available in their own
little text windows by holding down Open-Apple and another key).
What else are people working on? What other gems can we find in the dark
corners of people's hard disks and floppies? I think that if we get some ideas
flowing, we could start a new generation of "neat hacks" that made the Apple II
the coolest computer a person could possibly have!
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From article <27977@apple.Apple.COM>, by keith@Apple.COM (Keith Rollin): > - Scott Lindsey tossed of a little integrated package now being > published by Claris. Hey! Wait a minute! Scott doesn't deserve any credit! AppleWorks GS was completely written by one programmer: Ernie Pan. For legal reasons, Ernie could not be given credit, and the ten names you now see in the About dialog were made up. None of those people actually exist. Including me. -- Jeff Erickson \ Internet: krazy@claris.com AppleLink: Erickson4 Claris Corporation \ UUCP: {ames,apple,portal,sun,voder}!claris!krazy 415/960-2693 \________________________________________________________ ____________________/ "I'm so heppy I'm mizzabil!" -- Krazy Kat
nicholaA@moravian.EDU (03/29/89)
Keith Rollin (keith@apple.com) writes: >Which makes me wonder: what is happening out there right now? I am intensely >interested in hearing what wonderful things people are working on in their >spare time. >What else are people working on? What other gems can we find in the dark >corners of people's hard disks and floppies? I think that if we get some ideas >flowing, we could start a new generation of "neat hacks" that made the Apple >II the coolest computer a person could possibly have! Hey Jason Blochowiak! Would you please explain to these people what "The Hurricane Editor" is and what "HyperHelp" is? (Jason wrote a nifty replacement editor for the ORCA/M-GS editor that has a ton of great features.. and the HyperHelp DA is a hypertext help system that operates as an NDA, allowing hypertext help on almost any program that's SHR based. The idea for the HyperHelp DA came from his text-based editor which has it's own hypertext help system built in. Pester Jason to finish this stuff so that we can all see it. :) He's really close.) I'm in the process of getting John Brooks to allow me to put out his replacement linker as shareware for him. John's linker replaces the incredibly slow linker in ORCA/M-GS and APW. It will not currently handle libraries, and makes you use intermediate files for the link, but it *DOES* create OMF 2.0 output, and is (roughly) 13x faster. It used to take 1 Minute, 23 seconds to link my IIgs terminal programs. It now takes 14 seconds with "FastLink." The linker has no limits on lable-table size (claris folks take note). To use John's linker, you have to run a small (9 block) program called "Fcon" (short for FastConvert) which takes the current OBJ files and make new files with John's own OBJ format. This only has to be done once a segment is re-assembled or re-compiled. (the conversion takes about 0.5 seconds per 64k). Then, to link everything, you just execute fastlink. What's surprising is that most of the time the linker spends is doing I/O. The faster the harddrive or ramdisk you use, the faster the linker goes... The linker itself is 20 prodos blocks long and loads quickly. (oh yeah, the 13x faster figure comes from John's own internal calculations without doing I/O -- and for those who don't know, John Brooks wrote Tomahawk/GS and helped with the animation routines for Alien Mind) andy ---- Andy Nicholas CsNET: shrinkit@moravian.edu Box 435, Moravian College InterNET: shrinkit%moravian.edu@relay.cs.net Bethlehem, PA 18018 uucp: rutgers!lafcol!lehi3b15!mc70!shrinkit ---- ALink PE: shrinkit I wrote ShrinkIT, send scantily clad women bearing colorful plumage of exotic waterfowl that squeal "beta! beta!" when pinched by overweight waterfowl pinchers. Ha.
bird@ihlpf.ATT.COM (Walters) (03/29/89)
From article <9258@claris.com>, by krazy@claris.com (Jeff Erickson): There were some good names in there, however, I think Glen Bredon should of been mentioned ahead of the ORCA/M dude. -- Joe Walters att!ihlpf!bird IHP 1F-240 (312) 416-5356
lwv@n8emr.UUCP (Larry W. Virden) (03/29/89)
Well, there is Don Elton and his telecommunications program Talk Is Cheap - as well as the awesome ECP 8 and 16 (which are shells). There is Dave Lyons Davex (another shell). There is Glen Bredon's Prosel and Prosel 16 - as well as ProCMD (a GREAT set of add on ProDOS commands) and the Merlin assembler series. There is Guy Rice, who is writing a number of INITs for the GS. There is the port of Rogue and Hack to the GS. There is GS Scheme, GS Forth done by individuals. There is that fellow in FL whose name I forget but who is writing GS/OS toolkits and utilities (360 Microsystems or somethign like that). There is Dave Whitney and Zlink and Binscii. -- Larry W. Virden 674 Falls Place, Reynoldsburg, OH 43068 (614) 864-8817 75046,606 (CIS) ; LVirden (ALPE) ; osu-cis!n8emr!lwv (UUCP) osu-cis!n8emr!lwv@TUT.CIS.OHIO-STATE.EDU (INTERNET) The world's not inherited from our parents, but borrowed from our children.
lwv@n8emr.UUCP (Larry W. Virden) (03/29/89)
If you folks know of this awesome software - please also let us know where we can get it. For instance, I mentioned a number of packages - ECP 8 and 16 is available in the Apple 2 archives at brownvm and probably elsewhere. Zlink and Binscii as well. Talk is Cheap can be purchased from Don - Hey what is the opinion of folks as to the posting of availability of private 'commercial' software announcements here - I mean, TIC doesnt get ads in mags, etc. Neither does ProSEL. Would it be offensive for little 'press release' type articles to appear in Apple2-l letting folks know where to get that software? Anyways, Davex is on the Apple2-l library as well. Guy's Startpic and startsound inits are on the archive - I dont know if someone else has provided any of the others. GS Scheme is also in the archives - but GS Forth isnt. There is a 'demo' version of GS Forth which is 'crippled' - you can write programs and save them and load them but you cannot create stand alone programs. It is very VERY big so I havent loaded it up yet. Anyways, this is the type info I would like to see. Hey Andy - where do we get those neat programs you were talking about? -- Larry W. Virden 674 Falls Place, Reynoldsburg, OH 43068 (614) 864-8817 75046,606 (CIS) ; LVirden (ALPE) ; osu-cis!n8emr!lwv (UUCP) osu-cis!n8emr!lwv@TUT.CIS.OHIO-STATE.EDU (INTERNET) The world's not inherited from our parents, but borrowed from our children.
nakada@husc4.HARVARD.EDU (Paul Nakada) (03/30/89)
From article <961@n8emr.UUCP>, by lwv@n8emr.UUCP (Larry W. Virden): > > Well, there is Don Elton and his telecommunications program Talk Is Cheap > - as well as the awesome ECP 8 and 16 (which are shells). There is Dave > Lyons Davex (another shell). There is Glen Bredon's Prosel and Prosel 16 - > as well as ProCMD (a GREAT set of add on ProDOS commands) and the Merlin > assembler series. There is Guy Rice, who is writing a number of INITs > for the GS. There is the port of Rogue and Hack to the GS. There is > GS Scheme, GS Forth done by individuals. There is that fellow in FL whose > name I forget but who is writing GS/OS toolkits and utilities (360 Microsystems > or somethign like that). There is Dave Whitney and Zlink and Binscii. > -- > Larry W. Virden 674 Falls Place, Reynoldsburg, OH 43068 (614) 864-8817 > 75046,606 (CIS) ; LVirden (ALPE) ; osu-cis!n8emr!lwv (UUCP) > osu-cis!n8emr!lwv@TUT.CIS.OHIO-STATE.EDU (INTERNET) > The world's not inherited from our parents, but borrowed from our children. speaking of ecp8.. has it become freeware yet? and if so could someone please e-mail it to me or please post it? thanks.. one package i'd like to see.... I would love to see a library of routines... similar to the gs toolbox, but much smaller (a subset of the toolbox) that would allow manipulation of the apple 80 column screen (maye including videx videoterm colnes). I've seen shrinkit, proterm, blu, etc.. all use different, but similar windowing systems, but i would bet that the coding is totally different.. Wouldn't it be wonderful to have some sort of standard library? This could even be distributed in binary form (not source) with a small text file of entry points... does anyone see any promise in this sort of thing? thanks for any feedback.. -paul __ | Paul Nakada '89 #8-) | North House | nakada@husc4.HARVARD.EDU Harvard College | seismo>!harvard!husc4!nakada.UUCP Cambridge, MA 02138 | rutgers/ nakada@husc4.BITNET 617/498-6255 || 6264 | __|
JDA@NIHCU.BITNET (Doug Ashbrook) (03/30/89)
> Talk is Cheap can be purchased from Don - Hey > what is the opinion of folks as to the posting of availability of private > 'commercial' software announcements here - I mean, TIC doesnt get ads in mags, > etc. Neither does ProSEL. Would it be offensive for little 'press > release' type articles to appear in Apple2-l letting folks know where to > get that software? I sure would not object. In fact, I am all in favor of doing this for products that I consider to really be "non-commercial". ------------------------------------------------------------------- J. Douglas Ashbrook (301) 496-5181 BITNET: JDA@NIHCU ARPA: jda%nihcu.bitnet@cunyvm.cuny.edu National Institutes of Health, Computer Center, Bethesda, MD 20892
lwv@n8emr.UUCP (Larry W. Virden) (03/30/89)
Paul, APDA used to sell a small set of files which allowed the programmer to provide an Appleworks like interface. As typical, when last seen it was on the obsolete list, along with Pascal and a number of other Apple II development tools. As for locating ECP8 freeware , delton@pro-carolina <- and something else - the same guy with the TIC proline/usenet feed - posted this code to CIS, ALPE and a couple of other places. I just checked and both ECP 8 and 16 have disappeared from Apple2-l - anyone know if this is because they were so out of date? If so, Don, could you post the latest greatest distributions? -- Larry W. Virden 674 Falls Place, Reynoldsburg, OH 43068 (614) 864-8817 75046,606 (CIS) ; LVirden (ALPE) ; osu-cis!n8emr!lwv (UUCP) osu-cis!n8emr!lwv@TUT.CIS.OHIO-STATE.EDU (INTERNET) The world's not inherited from our parents, but borrowed from our children.
prl3546@tahoma.UUCP (Philip R. Lindberg) (04/01/89)
From article <961@n8emr.UUCP>, by lwv@n8emr.UUCP (Larry W. Virden): > > Well, there is Don Elton and his telecommunications program Talk Is Cheap > -- > Larry W. Virden I've heard of this, (Talk Is Cheap). Rumor was it is a super! communications package. Is any one out there using it (on a //gs, maybe)? What do you think of it? How do I get a copy? +---------------------------------------------------------+ | The Apple //'s will live forever!! | | Phil Lindberg snail mail: 13845 S.E. 131 ST | | INET: prl3546@tahoma.UUCP Renton, WA 98056 | | UUCP: ..!uw-beaver!ssc-vax!shuksan!tahoma!prl3546 | | Disclaimer: I don't speak for my employer (and I not | | sure they even know I exist....) | +---------------------------------------------------------+
reeder@reed.UUCP (Doug Reeder) (04/01/89)
I am currently working on a Pascal compiler that will run under ProDos. It does not depend on BASIC.SYSTEM at all, and neither does the code it produces. You send it a text file, it spits out a self-contained machine language program. I hope to have it compile itself this weekend into an operational version. Eventually, I hope to write a windowing system using MouseText. Hopefully, someone will beat me to it. -- Doug Reeder USENET: ...!tektronix!reed!reeder Box 971 BITNET: reeder@reed.BITNET Institute of Knowledge from ARPA: tektronix!reed!reeder@berkeley.EDU Jinx Box 971 Reed College,Portland,OR 97202