SASQUATCH@ALBION.BITNET ("Kevin O. Lepard 629-5511 x6668", 517) (04/14/89)
Alan H. Stein (stein@uconnvm) writes: > [stuff about mac programs to transfer files deleted] > In the meantime, where are our HFS and Dos 3.3 FSTs? Or, for that matter, an FST for Mac disks and MS-DOS disks. I _know_ that the regular old Apple 3.5" disk drive can read and write on MSDOS disks, our PC-Transporter does it. It doesn't require the Apple Superdrive to read and write MSDOS. I am aware, by the way, that if you format an MSDOS disk w/ the 3.5" drive that _some_, but not all, IBM 3.5" drives won't be able to read it. It would still be a _HUGE_ benefit just to be able to read and write directly to/from MSDOS 3.5" disks. Anyone at Apple know of any new FSTs coming down the line? If so, what and when? (And please don't give me any "non-disclosure" stuff. After all, _everybody_ knew that GS/OS was coming out, and when, before it did.... :) Kevin Lepard Bitnet: Sasquatch@albion.bitnet Disclaimer: These opinions do not necessarily represent those of Albion College.
farrier@Apple.COM (Cary Farrier) (04/14/89)
In article <8904132206.aa17333@SMOKE.BRL.MIL> SASQUATCH@ALBION.BITNET ("Kevin O. Lepard 629-5511 x6668", 517) writes: >Alan H. Stein (stein@uconnvm) writes: > >> [stuff about mac programs to transfer files deleted] > >> In the meantime, where are our HFS and Dos 3.3 FSTs? > >Or, for that matter, an FST for Mac disks and MS-DOS disks. I _know_ that HFS is the filing system used on the Macintosh. > >Anyone at Apple know of any new FSTs coming down the line? If so, what and >when? (And please don't give me any "non-disclosure" stuff. After all, >_everybody_ knew that GS/OS was coming out, and when, before it did.... :) "non-disclosure" stuff follows: Whether you knew about GS/OS before it's release does not matter. If we went around pre-announcing our products, it wouldn't be very wise, strategically or economically. > >Kevin Lepard >Bitnet: Sasquatch@albion.bitnet >Disclaimer: These opinions do not necessarily represent those of Albion >College. Cary Farrier -- +----------------------------------------------------------------+ | This message does in no way reflect the views or opinions of | | any organization. In fact, they illustrate just how | | disorganized things really are. | +----------------------------------------------------------------+
nicholaA@moravian.EDU (04/15/89)
> >Alan H. Stein (stein@uconnvm) writes: >> [stuff about mac programs to transfer files deleted] >> In the meantime, where are our HFS and Dos 3.3 FSTs? >Or, for that matter, an FST for Mac disks and MS-DOS disks. I _know_ that >the regular old Apple 3.5" disk drive can read and write on MSDOS disks, >our PC-Transporter does it. It doesn't require the Apple Superdrive to >read and write MSDOS. I am aware, by the way, that if you format an MSDOS >disk w/ the 3.5" drive that _some_, but not all, IBM 3.5" drives won't be >able to read it. It would still be a _HUGE_ benefit just to be able to >read and write directly to/from MSDOS 3.5" disks. Ok, first, an HFS FST would allow you to read and write to Mac disks. HFS stands for (H)ierarchical (F)ile (S)ystem, and it's what the mac currently uses to store its files... Second, no, your Apple 3.5" drive cannot read MS-DOS disks without the proper controlling circuitry -- ie, you'll _need_ a Pc Transporter to read an MS-DOS disk. The port on the back of a "regular" GS just doesn't cut it. And, quite frankly, I would rather see Apple's resources going into something like the HFS FST which everyone can use rather than an MS-DOS FST for the PcT which only a few can people can use. >Anyone at Apple know of any new FSTs coming down the line? If so, what and >when? (And please don't give me any "non-disclosure" stuff. After all, >_everybody_ knew that GS/OS was coming out, and when, before it did.... :) Almost everyone at Apple _always_ knows what's coming down the line, but they cannot, and in most cases, WILL NOT tell you. Why can't you just accept that Apple is not in the business of rumor-mongering its own projects? >Kevin Lepard andy ---- Andy Nicholas CsNET: shrinkit@moravian.edu Box 435, Moravian College InterNET: shrinkit%moravian.edu@relay.cs.net Bethlehem, PA 18018 uucp: rutgers!lafcol!lehi3b15!mc70!shrinkit ---- ALink PE: shrinkit
SEWALL@UCONNVM.BITNET (Murph Sewall) (04/16/89)
> Whether you knew about GS/OS before it's release does not > matter. If we went around pre-announcing our products, > it wouldn't be very wise, strategically or economically. Like most sweeping generalizations, the above isn't true. In fact, senior Apple executives are frequently quoted on the subject of Apple's plans (the true multitasking operating system for the Mac II <with MMU>, Mac IIx, IIcx, and SE-030 by the end of this year, for example). It's imprudent to discuss future products if the effect is customers deferring purchase of current products, or products with release dates so far in the future that their failure to appear after awhile might be viewed as a sign of trouble (the LapMac perhaps?). But it's not so smart when the opposite is likely to be the case. Since when has Apple ceased "pre-announcing" products (the LapMac, isn't pre-announced)? Apple is busy rumor mongering all sorts of future Macintosh stuff (the Macintosh "tower" - a buck says that it WILL BE the IItx - the 25 MHz IIcx and SE-030, etc.); why the haughty "my lips are sealed" about anything to do with the Apple II? If you ARE planning (working on) an FST for Mac disks, that probably would ENCOURAGE purchases or upgrades. If the rumored MacCard is for real, some heavy hinting would be both economically AND strategically smart. Murph Sewall Vaporware? ---> [Gary Larson returns 1/1/90] Prof. of Marketing Sewall@UConnVM.BITNET Business School sewall%uconnvm.bitnet@mitvma.mit.edu [INTERNET] U of Connecticut {psuvax1 or mcvax }!UCONNVM.BITNET!SEWALL [UUCP] (203) 486-5246 [FAX] (203) 486-2489 [PHONE] 41 49N 72 15W [ICBM] -+- I don't speak for my employer, though I frequently wish that I could (subject to change without notice; void where prohibited)
farrier@Apple.COM (Cary Farrier) (04/17/89)
In article <8904160156.aa25830@SMOKE.BRL.MIL> SEWALL@UCONNVM.BITNET (Murph Sewall) writes: >> Whether you knew about GS/OS before it's release does not >> matter. If we went around pre-announcing our products, >> it wouldn't be very wise, strategically or economically. > >Like most sweeping generalizations, the above isn't true. In >fact, senior Apple executives are frequently quoted on the subject of >Apple's plans When the executives disclose publicly any plans or products, that is called announcing a product. When the engineers disclose the same, it is called an information leak. >It's imprudent to discuss future products if the effect is customers >deferring purchase of current products, or products with release dates >so far in the future that their failure to appear after awhile might be >viewed as a sign of trouble (the LapMac perhaps?). But it's not so smart >when the opposite is likely to be the case. Not so. You have left out two facts: A) We have competitors, and B) If you pre-announce a product (read leak information) then don't deliver on it, you can stir up many bad feelings from the consumer. >Since when has Apple ceased "pre-announcing" products (the LapMac, isn't >pre-announced)? Since when has Apple started? The "LapMac" as you call it, was not announced. If you recall, the report on it in the unnamed news journal was based on information they received from a technical document stolen from Apple. >Murph Sewall Vaporware? ---> [Gary Larson returns 1/1/90] >Prof. of Marketing Sewall@UConnVM.BITNET >Business School sewall%uconnvm.bitnet@mitvma.mit.edu [INTERNET] >U of Connecticut {psuvax1 or mcvax }!UCONNVM.BITNET!SEWALL [UUCP] > (203) 486-5246 [FAX] (203) 486-2489 [PHONE] 41 49N 72 15W [ICBM] Cary Farrier -- +----------------------------------------------------------------+ | This message does in no way reflect the views or opinions of | | any organization. In fact, they illustrate just how | | disorganized things really are. | +----------------------------------------------------------------+