sk2f+@ANDREW.CMU.EDU ("Seth D. Kadesh") (05/01/89)
Here's a novel idea. It is my opinion that we could only benefit
from a large user base. If all of those 8 bit apples magically became
GS's, we would have a lot more marketing clout. More people would
develop for the GS, because there would be more people to buy their
products. Instead of a computer with an uncertain future, we could
become a solid and credible base upon which innovation would grow.
Of course, this is just a thought. No one at Apple would consider
something like this. Notice I have not mentioned feasibility and cost.
It would have to be low cost, and highly accessible. Why are there any
IIes still out there!!??! If Apple had pushed harder for the IIe -> GS
conversion kit, it might have sold more. This isn't even considering
the IIs and II+s, or the IIcs.
-seth
sk2f+@andrew.cmu.edu
tHe mAd ScienTisT, and other carnations. Live, on tour in a city near
you. I have a headache.jeffrey@ccnysci.UUCP (Jeffrey L Bromberger) (05/06/89)
In article <IYKtGyy00WE1M17ksY@andrew.cmu.edu> sk2f+@ANDREW.CMU.EDU ("Seth D. Kadesh") writes: > >Why are there any >IIes still out there!!??! If Apple had pushed harder for the IIe -> GS >conversion kit, it might have sold more. This isn't even considering >the IIs and II+s, or the IIcs. > > -seth Seth, I strongly suggest that you take a good look around. ]['s (in the form of + & e) have been in classrooms since I was in High School (1981). IMHO, the schools (didn't I hear that they represented the largest ][ base?) won't ditch their machines and software just to make the GS people happy. BTW, how many of these ][e's out there in schools were never 'enhanced'? I'm willing to bet that many of them weren't, even after the upgrade chips became widely available. Midwood High School (in Brooklyn, NY) still had 4 of the old black Bell&Howell ]['s running - boy, were they nice machines! From the terminal of a happy ][e (or //e :-) user. -- Jeffrey L. Bromberger System Operator---City College of New York---Science Computing Facility Anywhere!{cmcl2,philabs,phri}!ccnysci!jeffrey jeffrey@ccnysci.BITNET
sk2f+@ANDREW.CMU.EDU ("Seth D. Kadesh") (05/07/89)
In article <1871@ccnysci.UUCP> ccnysci!jeffrey@nyu.edu ("Jeffrey L Bromberger") writes: ] In article <IYKtGyy00WE1M17ksY@andrew.cmu.edu> sk2f+@ANDREW.CMU.EDU ("Seth D. ] Kadesh") writes: ] > ] >Why are there any ] >IIes still out there!!??! If Apple had pushed harder for the IIe -> GS ] >conversion kit, it might have sold more. This isn't even considering ] >the IIs and II+s, or the IIcs. ] > ] > -seth ] Seth, I strongly suggest that you take a good look around. ]['s (in ] the form of + & e) have been in classrooms since I was in High School ] (1981). IMHO, the schools (didn't I hear that they represented the ] largest ][ base?) won't ditch their machines and software just to make ] the GS people happy. BTW, how many of these ][e's out there in ] schools were never 'enhanced'? You missed my point (I wasn't very clear). Everybody loses if the Apple II line is dropped. The II (+ e c) are not so dissimilar that they can't be grouped together and considered "one" machine. The indtroduction of the GS (funny I should talk introduction - its been here for at least 3 years now - right?) represents a major break from the family. But this break is only good if people support it. And the more people purchase the GS, the more it is supported. If the GS is not supported, its only going to look like a IIe with some fancy colors. As for the schools, they have almost nothing to lose by upgrading their machines. I certainly wouldn't ask them to do it to make the GS people happy. But the GS represents the future for the entire Apple II line. If it dies, they all do (I'm not talking about third parties and user bases and stuff like that). And with very few exceptions, most software will run on the GS. Typical school hardware (printers, etc.) will also function well with the GS. As for throwing away the machine itself (the IIe or II+ in question) - you've got a nice, new GS to play with. btw, my high school enhanced all of their IIes. they now have mostly GS's. too bad they don't know what to do with them (learning how to use Appleworks is the standard course) ] Jeffrey L. Bromberger ] System Operator---City College of New York---Science Computing Facility ] Anywhere!{cmcl2,philabs,phri}!ccnysci!jeffrey jeffrey@ccnysci.BITNET - seth kadesh sk2f+@andrew.cmu.edu tHe mAd ScienTisT, and other carnations.
) (05/11/89)
Network Comment: to #3235 by pnet01!crash!nyu.edu!ccnysci!jeffrey >Midwood High School (in Brooklyn, NY) still had 4 of the old black >Bell&Howell ]['s running - boy, were they nice machines! Hey! I went to an elementry that had 2 Bell&Howells and I never could get half my programs I wrote to run on them.... Even though I don't have an enhanced //e (yet) I am looking into it. I doubt I would ever upgrade (update?) to //gs for the plain reason that it costs too much and I don't NEED to. Why should I when the computer and software I have suit me fine the way it is. (You stated so about the school systems as well) Most of my schools I have attended have Apple // series computers. Out of all the computer labs that were used, I saw a remarkable *2* in Austin, Tx. Both of which were restricted for use by instructors only, and both of those instructors were as computer-illiterate as...as...well, you get the picture. Jason Hughes +=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+ | panther@pro-lep | "Either the goddam bit is there, | | Don't Drink and Purr. | or it's not there!" | +=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+