sk2f+@andrew.cmu.edu ("Seth D. Kadesh") (05/01/89)
I don't know how to type (well, not really...) but once, just for fun, I was screwing around with the control panel settings for the keyboard layout. I set the layout to "DVORAK", and looked up the location of the keys in the back of the users guide. Are we supposed to put labels over our keycaps? I tried taking the keycaps off the keyboard, and rearranging them, and found that they don't come off too easily, and they don't go back on where they're not supposed to. It's not really important; as I said, I can't type. But it is of interest to me (there has to be a more elegant solution than labels - they leave the keyboard sticky). -seth sk2f+@andrew.cmu.edu tHe mAd ScienTisT, and other carnations. On tour in a city near you. I have a headache.
cs472226@umbc5.umbc.edu (David Wood (CS472226)) (05/01/89)
In article <EYKt7Xy00WE1Q17kZn@andrew.cmu.edu> sk2f+@andrew.cmu.edu ("Seth D. Kadesh") writes: > ...I set the layout to "DVORAK", and looked up the location of the >keys in the back of the users guide. Are we supposed to put labels over >our keycaps? > > -seth > sk2f+@andrew.cmu.edu >tHe mAd ScienTisT, and other carnations. On tour in a city near you. I >have a headache. Funny thing, that. Long ago, I saw a rubber keyboard template for an LSI terminal showing all the different graphic commands, etc. for a hotkey programming system (This was about none or ten years ago). I asked myself, "If they could make plastic keyboard covers with extended layouts for mainframe computers, why couldn't they make 'em for home systems now? You (or someone, anyway) market several different covers, one for each layout available on the Control Panel (or each that you have occasion to use). Alas, the only templates I've seen are for that brand of computers that have only three-letter names and much faster clones. Nothing for Apple yet. I might have tried it, but I've never worked in rubber befo- let me rephrase that. I've never worked WITH rubber before... -David Wood ************************************************************************ * A Mind is a Terrible Thing *** Sometime in June, this account * * to have Oozing out *** turn into a pumpkin. Help this poor * * your ears... *** system addict stay in touch with * * -- The League of *** his contacts on UseNET and/or * * Sadistic *** BitNET. All contributions will be * * Telepaths *** generously accepted through E-MAIL. * ************************************************************************
edward@pro-harvest.UUCP (System Administrator) (05/02/89)
Network Comment: to #363 by obsolete!sk2f+%andrew.cmu.edu obsolete!sk2f+%andrew.cmu.edu (Seth D. Kadesh) writes: >Subject: How do you do DVORAK? > >keys in the back of the users guide. Are we supposed to put labels over >our keycaps? I tried taking the keycaps off the keyboard, and > > -seth > sk2f+@andrew.cmu.edu >tHe mAd ScienTisT, and other carnations. On tour in a city near you. I >have a headache. I had the same problem, long ago. I discovered that there was a Dvorak layout in the ROMs of my IIe, and I found a wiring mod that allowed me to access it. But until I got my IIgs, I didn't practice typing on the Dvorak very much; then I bought _Mavis Beacon Teaches Typing!_ and now I'm a fair typist on Dvorak, in fact I keep my keyboard set to it all the time. I tried to rearrange the keycaps, but ran into that problem that they were sculptured and couldn't be repositioned with gaining a really weird-feeling keyboard. So I decided to chuck the entire idea, and I've been typing for two and a half years now on a Dvorak-layout keyboard with Qwerty-layout keys. Since I don't need to look at the keys when I type, I don't have any problems. The only trouble occurs when a Qwerty typist attempts to use my machine: they complain that my computer is screwing up. I tell them that they're witnessing the wave of the future. :) ProLine: edward@pro-harvest | pro-harvest +1 312 253 8239 UUCP: crash!pro-harvest!edward | 24 hour operation ARPA: crash!pro-harvest!edward@nosc.mil | 300/1200/2400 bps InterNet: edward@pro-harvest.cts.com | Online since 1 April 1989
wombat@claris.com (Scott Lindsey) (05/04/89)
From article <8905030758.AA17421@crash.cts.com>, by edward@pro-harvest.UUCP (System Administrator): > keyboard. So I decided to chuck the entire idea, and I've been typing for > two and a half years now on a Dvorak-layout keyboard with Qwerty-layout > keys. Since I don't need to look at the keys when I type, I don't have any > problems. The only trouble occurs when a Qwerty typist attempts to use my > machine: they complain that my computer is screwing up. I tell them that > they're witnessing the wave of the future. :) When I first started working on a GS, I discovered the Dvorak layout option. I decided to learn it. I ended up Xeroxing the layout from whatever manual it appears in, enlarging it, cutting out keys & taping them to my keyboard. As soon as I knew where the keys were (but still had to think about it), I took them off & cleaned the keyboard with alcohol :-). After a while, I got up to about 1/2 or 2/3 my QWERTY speed, I gave it up because I had severe problems when typing on a QWERTY keyboard. -- Scott Lindsey |"Cold and misty morning. I heard a warning borne in the air Claris Corp. | About an age of power when no one had an hour to spare" ames!claris!wombat| DISCLAIMER: These are not the opinions of Claris, Apple, wombat@claris.com | StyleWare, the author, or anyone else living or dead.
Sirald@cup.portal.com (Andrew Lionel Dalrymple) (05/05/89)
That is the curious thing about DVORAK. If you have learned QWERTY already, the switch between keyboards isn't worth the confusion. In other words, if you EVER need to use QWERTY on a regular basis, it isn't worth the time of the mistakes made with DVORAK as your native type. There's another point to consider. DVORAK is not widely supported enough by Apple software. Diagnostic tests give you QWERTY layouts and the like. And software with qwik-keys don't give the DVORAK optional layout, so it's up-hill. sirald@cup.portal.com sun!portal!cup.portal.com!sirald
edward@pro-harvest.UUCP (System Administrator) (05/09/89)
>From: obsolete!claris!wombat%apple.com (Scott Lindsey) writes >As soon as I knew where the keys were (but still had to think about it), I >took them off & cleaned the keyboard with alcohol :-). After a while, I >got up to about 1/2 or 2/3 my QWERTY speed, I gave it up because I had >severe problems when typing on a QWERTY keyboard. I have that problem also, when I'm using someone else's computer. I'm proficient at Dvorak (about 60 wpm; not too hot, but I like it), and using a Qwerty keyboard reduces me back to hunt-and-pecking. It's not a pretty sight. But I use my own computers almost (99.99%) exclusively, so embarassing myself with a Qwerty keyboard is a rare occurance. ProLine: edward@pro-harvest | pro-harvest +1 312 253 8239 UUCP: crash!pro-harvest!edward | 24 hour operation ARPA: crash!pro-harvest!edward@nosc.mil | 300/1200/2400 bps InterNet: edward@pro-harvest.cts.com | Online since 1 April 1989
edward@pro-harvest.UUCP (System Administrator) (05/09/89)
Network Comment: to #487 by obsolete!portal!cup.portal.com!Sirald%uunet.uu.net >worth the confusion. In other words, if you EVER need to >use QWERTY on a regular basis, it isn't worth the time of >the mistakes made with DVORAK as your native type. I've encountered that problem, myself. I am forced to use a Macintosh when laying out the club newsletter, and the only keyboard arrangement available is Qwerty. "Hunt-and-peck" is a kind way to describe my typing style during these sessions; fortunately, they're brief. Rarely does anyone other than myself use my computers, and I rarely (with the above exception) use anyone else's, so sticking with Dvorak isn't much of a problem. >There's another point to consider. DVORAK is not >widely supported enough by Apple software. Diagnostic There is only one piece of Apple software with which the Dvorak layout was a problem (to me), and that was Roger Wagner's Macromate. I could input the macros correctly, but when they were replayed, the translation was wrong. Incredibly weird strings would be output unless the keyboard layout had been changed to "U.S.A." I reported the bug, and was shortly rewarded with a new version that worked correctly with Dvorak. So at the moment, I'm happy, and I haven't discovered any new incompatibilities with the software that I use. ProLine: edward@pro-harvest | pro-harvest +1 312 253 8239 UUCP: crash!pro-harvest!edward | 24 hour operation ARPA: crash!pro-harvest!edward@nosc.mil | 300/1200/2400 bps InterNet: edward@pro-harvest.cts.com | Online since 1 April 1989
chan@octopus.UUCP (Chan) (05/14/89)
Somone a while back mentioned that they had gotten a dvorak layout on a //e. How was this accomplished? Is it related to one of the ROM chips (which I doubt) or is it related to the keyboard encoder chip (Get your Dvorak encoder rings right here folks... :)??? 'Twould like to know.... As far as the confusion between switching between the two keyboard layouts, I am working right now on a //c+ with the dvorak layout, and right beside it is my homebuilt //e clone with the qwerty layout. Fortunately, the keyboards have enough of a different feel that I don't have much probelems. Far more confusion occurs when switching between operating systems - Unix -> Prodos -> Dos -> AMOS. I caught myself trying to get a directory of files a few days ago, and it took me three tries (ls, cat, and finally, dir!) Really, keyboard layouts are nothing comapared with the gymnastics one goes through bouncing 'tween operating systems..... ][> Chan "Remember, falling can't hurt... It's the landing you have to worry about." chan@octopus or vsi1!octopus!chan@apple.com <== why does this work???
edward@pro-harvest.UUCP (System Administrator) (05/15/89)
Network Comment: to #800 by obsolete!voder!pyramid!octopus!chan%ucbvax.berkeley.edu I discovered that the IIe ROMs contained a Dvorak keyboard arrangement when I was reading "Understanding the Apple IIe", by Jim Sather. The instructions were simple enough, the IIe was out-of-warranty, and I was bored. So, armed with soldering iron and chip-puller, I carefully followed the directions in the book, and behold! it didn't work! So I bought the Apple IIe Reference Manual and perused the schematics. The circuit that I designed doesn't resemble Sather's, but -it works-, and has done so for five years. I assume that I got it right. :) I have an enhanced IIe with a revision B motherboard, and that's the only machine that I've ever tried this on, so I don't know if this will work on an original Rev. A motherboard. If it does, please tell me. You'll need these parts: an SPST switch (push-on/push-off) -- Radio Shack 275-617 is the one that I used [Note: the part number is from the 1988 catalog]; a 24-pin DIP socket; and approximately 75 cm (2.5 feet) of 30-gauge wrapping wire. (1) On the DIP socket, bend pin 18 outwards; when this socket is inserted between the Video ROM and its motherboard socket, this pin should not be connected to the motherboard. (2) Connect pin 18 to pin 12 of the socket, using the wrapping wire. Make only two or three turns of wire on pin 12, or the pin may not seat fully when inserted in the Video ROM socket. (3) Remove the Video ROM, located at F4 on the motherboard. (The Apple part number is either 342-0133, if you have an unenhanced IIe, or 342-0265-A if your IIe is enhanced.) Insert your wire-wrapped DIP socket into the now-vacant Video ROM socket. Pin 1 is towards the right front of the board, as you are looking at it; pin 18, which is sticking outwards from the socket, should be to your left. Then reinsert the Video ROM. (4) Remove one of the unused connector cut-out covers on the back panel; I used number 12, which is the horizontal one above the power supply. Cut an opening in the center of the cover and mount the push-button in it. Now, cut the remainder of the wrapping wire in half, and solder one lead to each terminal of the switch. Then replace the cover, with the switch mounted in it. (5) Remove any interface cards that you have installed, and route this pair of wires from the connector cut-out to connector J19 (middle of the motherboard, on the right side). You don't really need to remove the interface cards, but it may help. (6) Connect the SPST switch to connector J19, wire-wrapping the connections. I actually found a two-socket Molex connector which fit onto J19, so I used that. I found the Molex accidentally while digging through a box of spare parts, and I don't know of a part number or a source for it. (7) That's all, folks. When the switch is out, and J19 is open, then you have a QWERTY layout. Push the switch in, and you're using Dvorak. ---------- However, the Dvorak layout on the IIe is not the same as that of the IIgs or the IIc: three of the keys are misplaced. This is the layout, as it appears on the IIe (unshifted characters only): QWERTY 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 - = Dvorak 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 [ ] QWERTY q w e r t y u i o p [ ] \ Dvorak / , . p y f g c r l ; = \ QWERTY a s d f g h j k l ; ' Dvorak a o e u i d h t n s - QWERTY z x c v b n m , . / Dvorak ' q j k x b m w v z The incorrect keys are the apostrophe/quote (IIe), which should be semi-colon/colon (IIc, IIgs); slash/question mark (IIe), which should be apostrophe/quote (IIc, IIgs); and semi-colon/colon (IIe), which should be slash/question mark (IIc, IIgs). The grave accent/tilde key, wherever it appears, doesn't change, nor do the backslash/pipe (aka vertical bar) or the "a" and "m" keys. Disclaimer: Don't Try This At Home, Kids! ProLine: edward@pro-harvest | pro-harvest +1 312 253 8239 UUCP: crash!pro-harvest!edward | 24 hour operation ARPA: crash!pro-harvest!edward@nosc.mil | 300/1200/2400 bps InterNet: edward@pro-harvest.cts.com | Online since 1 April 1989
Espo@cup.portal.com (STEVEN MICHAEL ESPOSITO) (05/15/89)
I changed my IIe to dvorak layout a few years ago. At that time there were two ways of doing it. one was to order a kit from international solutions for about $ 150.00. The other way was to write to apple to get the instuctions I wrote to customer service at apple (guess it is customer relations now) and the sent me the instuctions which amounted to something like jumping the two pin molex like connector inside the computer and taking a rom chip out and bending one of the pins out of the way and connecting two other pins together.I would urge you to contact customer relations at apple for this information.It is really a simple modification if you know how to solder. I moved since i did the mod but i think i have the instructions around somewhere if you can't get them from apple.the only problem you will have is if you want to move the keys on the keyboard around it will not work because the keyboard is curved. this was solved in the kit with replacement keycaps. also i seem to remember if you jumped the molex connector with a switch instead of a straight wire you could switch back and forth between qwerty and dvorak. well hope this helps steven esposito espo@cup.portal.com guam usa
lm03_cif@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Larry Moss) (05/15/89)
With all this talk about DVORAK, I was wondering if anyone knows of a way to get it on a II+ or Ace 1000. Since people have referred several times, specifically to IIe ROMs, I would assume this can't be done, but I'm hoping someone tells me otherwise. Maybe if I can get this to work I can talk all my friends into making the switch too. I can avoid all the confusion then. :-) Larry lm03_cif@uhura.cc.rochester.edu lmo3_ltd@db2.cc.rochester.edu lmo3_ltd@uordbv.bitnet
matthew@sunpix.UUCP ( Sun Visualization Products) (05/15/89)
In article <610@octopus.UUCP>, chan@octopus.UUCP (Chan) writes: | Somone a while back mentioned that they had gotten a dvorak layout | on a //e. How was this accomplished? Is it related to one of the ROM | chips (which I doubt) or is it related to the keyboard encoder chip | (Get your Dvorak encoder rings right here folks... :)??? | | 'Twould like to know.... To get the DORVAK keyboard layout on an Apple //e requires a small bit of motherboard hacking. The Apple //e engineers put DORVAK capabilities into their machine, but only the Apple //c and Apple //gs engineers made DORVAK easy to get at. I've got a copy of CALL - A.P.P.L.E. which has the instuctions for the mod. Since the mag says the articles maybe reprinted, provided due credit is given, I'm willing to post or forward the instructions. -- Matthew Lee Stier | Sun Microsystems --- RTP, NC 27709-3447 | "Wisconsin Escapee" uucp: { sun, mcnc!rti }!sunpix!matthew | phone: (919) 469-8300 fax: (919) 460-8355 |
dale@pro-colony.UUCP (System Operator) (05/17/89)
Network Comment: to #6107 by pnet01!crash!trout.nosc.mil!pnet01!pro-harvest!edward There is (was) a DVORAK DA on CI$ about a year ago (I know, I uploaded it). It was written by a friend of mine. He re-wrote is about 6 months ago to work on the Mac II as well. I could probably get ahold of a copy of it again if someone really wanted it. Send me email or call Pro-Colony BBS - 214/370-7056
matthew@sunpix.UUCP ( Sun Visualization Products) (05/19/89)
|With all this talk about DVORAK, I was wondering if anyone knows of a |way to get it on a II+ or Ace 1000. Since people have referred several |times, specifically to IIe ROMs, I would assume this can't be done, but |I'm hoping someone tells me otherwise. It cannot be done with a simple hack. I've done something to my Apple //plus by adding a 2716 eprom in line with the keyboard output, before it reached the motherboard. I used it by taking the output of the keyboard encoder chip and feed it to the address pins of the EPROM. I then installed a pair of switches and wired those to the other address pins. The output of the eprom was then dependant upon the output of the keyboard encoder and the state of the switches. Now what did I use this for? To add lowercase and shift-lock capabilities to the Apple ][plus keyboard. -- Matthew Lee Stier | Sun Microsystems --- RTP, NC 27709-3447 | "Wisconsin Escapee" uucp: { sun, mcnc!rti }!sunpix!matthew | phone: (919) 469-8300 fax: (919) 460-8355 |