jason@madnix.UUCP (Jason Blochowiak) (06/02/89)
Is it just me, or are Apple ][ displays used in a bunch of movies?
I have the Sony KV-1311CR, and I flip over to the TV during long compiles and
when I get bored of programming temporarily. Anyways, I was watching a horrid
movie on HBO, and it had a cyborg in it - on one of her "displays" there was
an AppleSoft basic program listing scrolling across the bottom. Also, in
_The Terminator_ there was 6502 assembly on his "display" all over the place
(source to some utilities package - no propritary [sp? it's late...] info,
but that's life :). There are also Apple ][ CPU's matched with non-Apple
displays. I realize this is nothing more than fluff, but it's happened often
enough to catch my attention...
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jason@madnix.UUCP, methinks. Formerly blochowi@garfield.cs.wisc.edu
"It beats working" - Harrison Fordggray@wpi.wpi.edu (Gary Gray) (06/06/89)
In article <677@madnix.UUCP> jason@madnix.UUCP (Jason Blochowiak) writes: > > Is it just me, or are Apple ][ displays used in a bunch of movies? I think this has been discussed before, but the thing I like best about the apple showing up on T.V. is how many labs STILL use vinatge ][+'s... I mean stuff like Narrator: "The Information is gathered by an automatic system...." and there is an apple in the corner hooked up to all of this ungodly looking equipment. As a matter of fact.... yep, I was right. There is an Apple (looks like another ][+) on page 81 of June's _Discover_ magazine. It is being used to model yawns in humans. Oh, BTW I was watching _Family Ties_ the other day (ok, ok, so I was REALLY bored!) and I noticed that Alex Keaton (aka mr. yuppie) has a _Macintosh_ So, the lesson is: wanna be a scientist? get a ][+ wanna be a greedy Yupster? get a Mac. ;-) >-- >_______________________________________________________________________________ > > jason@madnix.UUCP, methinks. Formerly blochowi@garfield.cs.wisc.edu > "It beats working" - Harrison Ford WARNING!! the opinions expressed above can be HAZARDOUS or FATAL if swallowed! --- Remember: The total sum of intelligence on the Earth is a constant; The population is growing..... Gary Gray - inet ggray@wpi.wpi.edu - bitnet ggray@wpi.bitnet - GEnie G.GRAY6
HHWON00@RICE.BITNET (06/07/89)
Actually, in Terminator, that 6502 code did have some comments! Pretty funny to see an old Nibble program... I forgot the name, but it was the one that verified that you keyed in their program listings correctly. I almost died laughing when I saw it on the big screen!
jac@paul.rutgers.edu (J. A. Chandross) (06/08/89)
From: HHWON00@RICE.BITNET > Actually, in Terminator, that 6502 code did have some comments! Pretty funny > to see an old Nibble program... I forgot the name, but it was the one that > verified that you keyed in their program listings correctly. I almost died > laughing when I saw it on the big screen! I think your mistaken here. The code was obviously Randy Hyde's DOS Source. (commented source code for DOS 3.3, suitable for the LISA assembler.) I'd recognize it anywhere. Jonathan A. Chandross Internet: jac@paul.rutgers.edu UUCP: rutgers!paul.rutgers.edu!jac
dseah@wpi.wpi.edu (David I Seah) (06/08/89)
In article <1102HHWON00@RICE> HHWON00@RICE.BITNET writes: >Actually, in Terminator, that 6502 code did have some comments! Pretty funny >to see an old Nibble program... I forgot the name, but it was the one that >verified that you keyed in their program listings correctly. I almost died >laughing when I saw it on the big screen! That scene sort of spoiled the movie for me afterwards...Yes, Terminators are programmed and created by souped-up Apple II Pluses in the future! Probably a scheme gone amuck perpetrated by insane Apple II owners to rid the world of Macintoshes! I've noted that wherever there is a movie scene calling for Success and Power imagery, you'll find a Mac lurking in the background somewhere. On TV, Moonlighting had Macs all over the place. In Miami Vice, they replaced the jet-black Amiga 1000 with Mac IIs. The Amiga world was crowing their triumph over mass media a few years ago because of that Amiga...heh heh. Dave Seah (dseah@wpi.wpi.edu) (Does anyone else find the Spearmint gum "Chewing Satisfaction" as annoying as I?)
JWANKERL@UTCVM.BITNET ("Josef W. Wankerl") (06/09/89)
On Thu, 8 Jun 89 16:38:56 GMT David I Seah said: >Dave Seah (dseah@wpi.wpi.edu) >(Does anyone else find the Spearmint gum "Chewing Satisfaction" as annoying as >I?) YES!!!! I have to change the channel every time it comes on. YUCK! Come on, TV... get a *little* more realistic, please. -Gonzo /**********************************************************************\ |* Joe "Gonzo" Wankerl |*| The views expressed here are *| |* BITNET => JWANKERL@UTCVM |*| not necessarily yours... *| |* |*| ...but they should be. *| \**********************************************************************/
jstich@pro-avalon.cts.com (Jonah Stich) (06/09/89)
Okay, sure there are a lot of computers in movies, but some of them (most actually) are just used as window dressing. For instance, I was watching a movie just the other day, where the guy was playing wh an Apple. Unfortunately, the computer had no disk drives, in a close up shot it was obvious that the monitor wasn't turned on, and the graphics looked like those created with Mac II or VGA. Whoops.... Jonah -- jstich@pro-avalon UUCP: crash!pro-nsfmat!pro-avalon!jstich ARPA: crash!pro-nsfmat!pro-avalon!jstich@nosc.mil INET: jstich@pro-avalon.cts.com
andyt@pro-exchange.cts.com (Andy Thomason) (06/09/89)
Comment to message from: pnet01!crash!BRL.MIL!astroatc!nicmad!madnix!jason%speedy.wisc.edu (Jason Blochowiak) In the movie EvilSpeak, an Apple //e was used to perform a black mass at a college. The movie, uh... questionable quality (kinda good... hard to explain) but in a philisophical sense it was alright. I've also seen the Apple // line on a few tv shows in the background. Can't remember what they were off the top of my head. Next time I see them, I'll let you know. Let's keep up the support! )-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-( ( UUCP: crash!pro-exchange!andyt ) "I THINK too much, therefore... ) ARPA: crash!pro-exchange!andyt@nosc.mil ( ...I AM too much!" ( INET: andyt@pro-exchange.cts.com ) --------/| ) -all addresses also apply to pro-south ( ------/_| _________ (-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-) ----/ |ndy |homason
JerryK@cup.portal.com (Jerry E Kindall) (06/10/89)
I seem to recall a letter in Nibble Magazine from a reader who recognized some of the source code in the Terminator... seems the Key Perfect tables were a dead giveaway! - Jerry Kindall - New portal.weenie JerryK@cup.portal.com GEnie: J.KINDALL Alink: JKindall
HHWON00@RICE.BITNET (06/10/89)
Perhaps the makers of Terminator used different programs, because I am very sure it was that Nibble program because I definitely remember seeing the name of the program on the comments. Key-something? I just remember exactly. But I do remember see name of the program.
nuwilken@ndsuvax.UUCP (Scott Wilken) (06/11/89)
In article <1109HHWON00@RICE> HHWON00@RICE.BITNET writes: >Perhaps the makers of Terminator used different programs, because I am very >sure it was that Nibble program because I definitely remember seeing the >name of the program on the comments. Key-something? I just remember exactly. >But I do remember see name of the program. Well, I dont know if this is the program you mean, but when I still had my //+ all those many years ago, I used a nibble program called Key-SOFT a lot. It let you take full advantage of lowercase chips, and also had a nice little editor in it. Scott ! nuwilken@plains.nodak.edu ! S.WILKEN1 GEnie Mail ! ! uunet!ndsuvax!nuwilken ! Wilken AppleLink ! ! NUWILKEN@NDSUVAX.Bitnet ! !
SEWALL@UCONNVM.BITNET (Murph Sewall) (06/11/89)
>In article <1109HHWON00@RICE> HHWON00@RICE.BITNET writes: >>Perhaps the makers of Terminator used different programs, because I am very >>sure it was that Nibble program because I definitely remember seeing the >>name of the program on the comments. Key-something? I just remember exactly. >Well, I dont know if this is the program you mean, but when I still had my >//+ all those many years ago, I used a nibble program called Key-SOFT a lot. How about someone spending a $1.50 and renting the movie (a rather good one, worth seeing again) and hitting to ol' 'freeze frame' when the code comes up and settle this once and for all? Murph Sewall Vaporware? ---> [Gary Larson returns 1/1/90] Prof. of Marketing Sewall@UConnVM.BITNET Business School sewall%uconnvm.bitnet@mitvma.mit.edu [INTERNET] U of Connecticut {psuvax1 or mcvax }!UCONNVM.BITNET!SEWALL [UUCP] (203) 486-5246 [FAX] (203) 486-2489 [PHONE] 41 49N 72 15W [ICBM] -+- I don't speak for my employer, though I frequently wish that I could (subject to change without notice; void where prohibited)
mw22+@andrew.cmu.edu (Michael Alan Wertheim) (06/11/89)
By an incredible coincidence, I saw the videotape of The Terminator two nights ago. Unfortunately I was watching it on a 13-inch tv, and i wasn't able to read much of the code. Sorry.... Mike
mattd@Apple.COM (Matt Deatherage) (06/11/89)
Ah, and who can forget a young River Phoenix using an Apple IIc (with no slots) to control a three-kid spacecraft in "Explorers"? (You remember, the one where the computer went out of control and they couldn't regain control with Control-Open Apple-Reset...) ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Matt Deatherage, Apple Computer, Inc. | "The opinions expressed in this tome Send PERSONAL mail ONLY (please) to: | should not be construed to imply that AppleLink PE: Matt DTS GEnie: AIIDTS | Apple Computer, Inc., or any of its CompuServe: 76703,3030 | subsidiaries, in whole or in part, Usenet: mattd@apple.com | have any opinion on any subject." UUCP: (other stuff)!ames!apple!mattd | "So there." -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
m.tiernan@pro-angmar.UUCP (Michael Tiernan) (06/11/89)
Network Comment: to #1272 by obsolete!blake!ndsuvax!nuwilken%beaver.cs.washington.edu The Nibble program that I think you are looking for is "Key-Perfect" it allowed you to use a checksum on the entered programs so that it would help catch errors on your end. (Anyone figure out how to checksum typos yet?) As for another instance of Apples in movies, if you watch the begining of "Never say Never again" with Sean Connery (Dr Jones to you!) the boat that was "controlling" the missils had a graphic display of the missils in flight, it was done on an Apple ][+ using the SubLogic graphics toolbox. << MCT >> BCS Apple/Boston Connection [MCT] (617) 893-5681 GEnie M.Tiernan AppleLinkPE M Tiernan BCS Net Michael Tiernan obsolete!pro-angmar!m.tiernan@bloom-beacon.mit.edu obsolete!pro-angmar!m.tiernan@bu-it.bu.edu pro-angmar!m.tiernan@obsolete.uucp m.tiernan@pro-angmar.cts.com
buzz@tippy.uucp (06/14/89)
It's my understanding that Apple loans its machines for use in movies/TV shows/whatever. What a way to get a little free advertising. BTW, in the credits for Star Trek V:The Final Frontier there's a thank-you to Apple Computer. Probably used Mac IIs for Bridge graphics...
JerryK@cup.portal.com (Jerry E Kindall) (06/15/89)
Re: Apple II+ Graphics in NEVER SAY NEVER AGAIN While we're on that topic, there are a number of movies which featured Apple II graphics. If I remember correctly, there was quite a bit of it in Buckaroo Banzai (the graphics which said SINED, SEELED, DELIVERED are what I'm thinking of) and I believe I saw some Monitor L commands in Inner Space. Hollywood, we're on to you now! You can fool some of the people some of the time, but you can't fool us Apple II owners. :) /\ Jerry Kindall JerryK@cup.portal.com \/ Death to COBOL GEnie: J.KINDALL ALink: JKindall
MJB8718@RITVAX.BITNET (06/15/89)
Who can forget the pretty young lady in the James Bond movie, "A View to a Kill" using an Apple //c to check the location and severity of a California earthquake minutes after it happened! Mike Burzinski BITNET: MJB8718@RITVAX GeNIE: M.BURZINSKI
m.tiernan@pro-angmar.UUCP (Michael Tiernan) (06/15/89)
Network Comment: to #1364 by obsolete!pur-phy!tippy!buzz%ee.ecn.purdue.edu >BTW, in the credits for Star Trek V:The Final Frontier there's a thank-you >to Apple Computer. Probably used Mac IIs fro Bridge graphics... Exactly, (this is not a plug) if you get on GEnie, goto the Science Fiction & Fantasy RT, Cat 8, Topic 1 is the cast and crew from ST:TNG. Two of the people that are on there are artists from the show and movies. They use MacII's for all the graphics... Another member there is Wil Wheaton, quite a nice guy. Owns a MacII/8MegB/100MHd! << MCT >> BCS Apple/Boston Connection [MCT] (617) 893-5681 GEnie M.Tiernan AppleLinkPE M Tiernan BCS Net Michael Tiernan obsolete!pro-angmar!m.tiernan@bloom-beacon.mit.edu obsolete!pro-angmar!m.tiernan@bu-it.bu.edu pro-angmar!m.tiernan@obsolete.uucp m.tiernan@pro-angmar.cts.com
orcus@pro-lep.cts.com (Brian Greenstone) (06/16/89)
Network Comment: to #4483 by pnet01!crash!ee.ecn.purdue.edu!pur-phy!tippy!buzz The most common use of an Apple II in movies is when they go into the monitor and keep typing L L L and code just flies up the screen. How stupid do they think the public is. Movies that generally have computers in them are seen by people who know something about computers, and I feel as tho they are insulting my intelligence.
monty@larry.sal.wisc.edu (Monty) (06/16/89)
Apples have been used in countless films. Who could forget the Terminator's infra-red eyesight complete with Apple disassembly! As I recall, the very first issue of Softalk magazine had an article on how the Apple II+ was used in helping coreograph Empire Strikes Back and their last issue had an article about IIe's and 2010. The infamous Disk II boot sound has been used over and over also. Check out Repo Man and keep your ears open.
brianw@microsoft.UUCP (Brian Willoughby) (06/17/89)
Well, I came upon this conversation while I was about 200 messages behind
in my reading. Even though discussion of the Terminator code seems to
have died out, I decided to spend a buck and find out more about this very
popular appearance of Apple II code.
The following listing appears during the Terminator's attack on the police
station. I came up with a template of what I could make out. '?'
indicates that I could actually see individual characters, but I couldn't
read them. 'WWW' indicates a word sepearated by spaces, but I didn't
bother to count the characters. I noticed that the illusion of
television resolution depends upon the motion of 60 images per second.
As soon as I paused the picture, all clarity left, and I had to view the
section several times to make out what you see below. Some of the
characters are undoubtedly incorrect, but perhaps someone can find the
code which fits this template? I've decided to look for a Laser Video
copy of The Terminator which is in the format that allows special effects
like freeze frame. Perhaps that will offer better resolution during
pause...
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29 ????? EQU $F6 WWW WWW = WWW
30 ???? EQU $F7 <<< POKE WWW WWW WWW TO WW
31 ???? EQU $F8 <<< POKE WWW WWW WWW WWW TO WWW
32 COUNT EQU $F9 WWW # OF POINTS PLOTTED
33 VARL EQU $FA WWW WWW WWW (WWW)
34 ????? EQU $FB WWW OF VARL
35 VARH EQU $FC WWW WWW STORAGE (WWW)
36 ????? EQU $FD WWW OF VARH
37 ?? EQU $FE WWW WWW WWW WWW RESET
38 ??? EQU $FF WWW OF VAR?
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On my first VCR viewing of The Terminator back when it was first aired on
cable, I did try to rewind and freeze the listings as they appeared, but
I was not convinced at the time that I was viewing 6502 code. 6800 code
also has LDA and STA, so my first attempt at identifying the code was
inconclusive. After painfully reviewing the movie segments last night, I
was thrilled to find references to Zero Page addressing modes and the A1
and A2 labels from the monitor interface. This is definately 6502 code
and Apple II specific as well.
The following section appears (after the above listing is repeated) just
before our Computer Hero attacks the Motel (and after the conception of
the little Connor who is never seen in the movie).
You'll notice that listing one uses 'EQU' while the '=' directive is used
below. Obviously two different assemblers were used (or at least two
different source files for an assembler like Merlin which understands both
directives). The second listing also uses lower case comments (I am
almost positive that I could see the word 'for'). The first 5 or so
characters were obscured because HDTV hasn't arrived yet, and the left
part of the image was chopped. Of course we can all guess what labels are
being equated to $3C, $3E and $42! This code is very generic, and (except
for a reference to what appears to be 'VTOC') could belong to any Apple II
program which uses the monitor subroutines. BTW, 'xxx' indicates that I
didn't count the words in the comments, since some were off the left of
the screen. Also, I doubt that address $C3FF was used, but that is what
it appeared to be. Anyone have a program which fits this template?
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**********************
ORG LABEL
= $3C
= $3E
= $42
??????? = $C3FF
******************************
SETUP - xxx xxx xxx for VTOC
xxx xxx xxx xxx to xxx
xxx $C000-$C3FF xxx
xxx xxx
******************************
SETUP LDA ??VTOC
STA A1
LDA ??VTOC
STA A1+1
LDA ??END
STA A2
LDA ??END
STA A2+1
LDA ????
STA A4
LDA ????
STA A4+1
SEC
JMP ????????
DB 4
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---------------------------------------------------------REWING@TRINCC.BITNET (06/19/89)
Actually, Mac IIs were used in Star Trek V for creating the movie's storyboard, completely in VideoWorks II. --Rick Ewing Apple Atlanta
tjohnson@pro-nucleus.UUCP (Terry Johnson) (06/20/89)
Network Comment: to #1622 by orcus@pro-lep.cts.com
eranl@pro-harvest.UUCP (Eran Lachs) (06/22/89)
Network Comment: to #2009 by obsolete!pnet01!pro-nucleus!tjohnson%nosc.mil
I haven't read anybody mention an Apple in Wall-Street, actualy on
Mike-Douglas' desk....think it had stock quotes running around the screen.
Eran :: eran@pro-{harvest,denver}
-------------------------------------->> "U better believe it" :reliabledace@pro-graphics.UUCP (David Schwam) (07/22/89)
Network Comment: to #79 by pnet01!crash!ee.ecn.purdue.edu!pur-phy!tippy!buzz A coment was made about a credit in Star Trek V: The Final Frontier to Apple Computer. I'm not so sure if the Mac IIs were used for the bridge graphics, but unless I'm mistaken a Mac monitor was used in the turbo lift. Of course this info is not breathtakingly important, but I just wanted to follow up on the original message.